From noloader at gmail.com Sun Oct 16 19:30:29 2011 From: noloader at gmail.com (Jeffrey Walton) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:30:29 -0400 Subject: [Ws-strategic-planning] OWASP Leadership/Occupy Wall Street Message-ID: I'm very concerned that Thomas Ryan sits on the OWASP board. I clearly don't condone spying on private citizens, [illegally?] accessing mail servers, and participating in smear campaigns. Is this the sort of leadership the project wants? "Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD", http://gawker.com/5850054/meet-the-guy-who-snitched-on-occupy-wall-street-to-the-fbi-and-nypd Since the Occupy Wall Street protest began on September 17, New York security consultant Thomas Ryan has been waging a campaign to infiltrate and discredit the movement. ... As part of their intelligence-gathering operation, the [Ryan's] group gained access to a listserv used by Occupy Wall Street organizers called September17discuss... On Friday, Ryan leaked thousands of September17discuss emails to conservative blogger Andrew Breitbart, who is now using them to try to smear Occupy Wall Street as an anarchist conspiracy to disrupt global markets. ... Interestingly, it was Ryan who revealed himself as a snitch. We learned of these emails from the archive Ryan leaked yesterday in the hopes of undermining the Occupy Wall Street movement. In assembling the archive of September17discuss emails, it appears he accidentally included some of his own forwarded emails indicating he was ratting out organizers. ... Ryan said he knows Loyd through their mutual involvement in the Open Web Application Security Project, a non-profit computer security group of which Ryan is a board member. From james.mcgovern at hp.com Sun Oct 16 19:38:34 2011 From: james.mcgovern at hp.com (McGovern, James) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 00:38:34 +0100 Subject: [Ws-strategic-planning] OWASP Leadership/Occupy Wall Street In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4861F6A0384C874894534A485C43C18FC758AEB9C5@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> Did he violate any of the OWASP by-laws? He did adhere to the principle making things open :-) OWASP doesn't focus on privacy (in a more broader sense) and therefore we collectively don't have a shared collective opinion. My take on it is that I will more than likely visit the Occupy Hartford sometime this week out of curiousity and support for people who are bold enough to take a stand on something they have passion around and anyone is welcome to spy on me including Tom. -----Original Message----- From: ws-strategic-planning-bounces at lists.owasp.org [mailto:ws-strategic-planning-bounces at lists.owasp.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Walton Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 7:30 PM To: webappsec at lists.owasp.org; ESAPI User List; esapi-dev at lists.owasp.org; ws-strategic-planning at lists.owasp.org; owasp-board at lists.owasp.org Subject: [Ws-strategic-planning] OWASP Leadership/Occupy Wall Street I'm very concerned that Thomas Ryan sits on the OWASP board. I clearly don't condone spying on private citizens, [illegally?] accessing mail servers, and participating in smear campaigns. Is this the sort of leadership the project wants? "Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD", http://gawker.com/5850054/meet-the-guy-who-snitched-on-occupy-wall-street-to-the-fbi-and-nypd Since the Occupy Wall Street protest began on September 17, New York security consultant Thomas Ryan has been waging a campaign to infiltrate and discredit the movement. ... As part of their intelligence-gathering operation, the [Ryan's] group gained access to a listserv used by Occupy Wall Street organizers called September17discuss... On Friday, Ryan leaked thousands of September17discuss emails to conservative blogger Andrew Breitbart, who is now using them to try to smear Occupy Wall Street as an anarchist conspiracy to disrupt global markets. ... Interestingly, it was Ryan who revealed himself as a snitch. We learned of these emails from the archive Ryan leaked yesterday in the hopes of undermining the Occupy Wall Street movement. In assembling the archive of September17discuss emails, it appears he accidentally included some of his own forwarded emails indicating he was ratting out organizers. ... Ryan said he knows Loyd through their mutual involvement in the Open Web Application Security Project, a non-profit computer security group of which Ryan is a board member. _______________________________________________ Ws-strategic-planning mailing list Ws-strategic-planning at lists.owasp.org https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/ws-strategic-planning From jason.li at owasp.org Sun Oct 16 19:47:08 2011 From: jason.li at owasp.org (Jason Li) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:47:08 -0400 Subject: [Ws-strategic-planning] [Esapi-dev] OWASP Leadership/Occupy Wall Street In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jeff, I certainly understand the concern, but Thomas Ryan is not on the Board of OWASP: https://www.owasp.org/index.php/About_OWASP#Global_Board_Members -Jason On Sun, Oct 16, 2011 at 7:30 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > I'm very concerned that Thomas Ryan sits on the OWASP board. I clearly > don't condone spying on private citizens, [illegally?] accessing mail > servers, and participating in smear campaigns. Is this the sort of > leadership the project wants? > > "Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD", > > http://gawker.com/5850054/meet-the-guy-who-snitched-on-occupy-wall-street-to-the-fbi-and-nypd > > Since the Occupy Wall Street protest began on > September 17, New York security consultant > Thomas Ryan has been waging a campaign to > infiltrate and discredit the movement. > ... > > As part of their intelligence-gathering operation, > the [Ryan's] group gained access to a listserv used > by Occupy Wall Street organizers called > September17discuss... On Friday, Ryan leaked > thousands of September17discuss emails to > conservative blogger Andrew Breitbart, who is now > using them to try to smear Occupy Wall Street as > an anarchist conspiracy to disrupt global markets. > ... > > Interestingly, it was Ryan who revealed himself as a snitch. > We learned of these emails from the archive Ryan leaked > yesterday in the hopes of undermining the Occupy Wall > Street movement. In assembling the archive of > September17discuss emails, it appears he accidentally > included some of his own forwarded emails indicating he > was ratting out organizers. > ... > > Ryan said he knows Loyd through their mutual involvement > in the Open Web Application Security Project, a non-profit > computer security group of which Ryan is a board member. > _______________________________________________ > Esapi-dev mailing list > Esapi-dev at lists.owasp.org > https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/esapi-dev > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://lists.owasp.org/pipermail/ws-strategic-planning/attachments/20111016/0e77abc3/attachment.html From tomb at owasp.org Sun Oct 16 20:07:45 2011 From: tomb at owasp.org (Thomas Brennan) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:07:45 -0400 Subject: [Ws-strategic-planning] OWASP Leadership/Occupy Wall Street In-Reply-To: <4861F6A0384C874894534A485C43C18FC758AEB9C5@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <4861F6A0384C874894534A485C43C18FC758AEB9C5@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: He is not on the NYC board. Call me (9732020122) with questions sent from a mobile device On Oct 16, 2011, at 7:38 PM, "McGovern, James" wrote: > Did he violate any of the OWASP by-laws? He did adhere to the principle making things open :-) > > OWASP doesn't focus on privacy (in a more broader sense) and therefore we collectively don't have a shared collective opinion. > > My take on it is that I will more than likely visit the Occupy Hartford sometime this week out of curiousity and support for people who are bold enough to take a stand on something they have passion around and anyone is welcome to spy on me including Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: ws-strategic-planning-bounces at lists.owasp.org [mailto:ws-strategic-planning-bounces at lists.owasp.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Walton > Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 7:30 PM > To: webappsec at lists.owasp.org; ESAPI User List; esapi-dev at lists.owasp.org; ws-strategic-planning at lists.owasp.org; owasp-board at lists.owasp.org > Subject: [Ws-strategic-planning] OWASP Leadership/Occupy Wall Street > > I'm very concerned that Thomas Ryan sits on the OWASP board. I clearly > don't condone spying on private citizens, [illegally?] accessing mail > servers, and participating in smear campaigns. Is this the sort of > leadership the project wants? > > "Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD", > http://gawker.com/5850054/meet-the-guy-who-snitched-on-occupy-wall-street-to-the-fbi-and-nypd > > Since the Occupy Wall Street protest began on > September 17, New York security consultant > Thomas Ryan has been waging a campaign to > infiltrate and discredit the movement. > ... > > As part of their intelligence-gathering operation, > the [Ryan's] group gained access to a listserv used > by Occupy Wall Street organizers called > September17discuss... On Friday, Ryan leaked > thousands of September17discuss emails to > conservative blogger Andrew Breitbart, who is now > using them to try to smear Occupy Wall Street as > an anarchist conspiracy to disrupt global markets. > ... > > Interestingly, it was Ryan who revealed himself as a snitch. > We learned of these emails from the archive Ryan leaked > yesterday in the hopes of undermining the Occupy Wall > Street movement. In assembling the archive of > September17discuss emails, it appears he accidentally > included some of his own forwarded emails indicating he > was ratting out organizers. > ... > > Ryan said he knows Loyd through their mutual involvement > in the Open Web Application Security Project, a non-profit > computer security group of which Ryan is a board member. > _______________________________________________ > Ws-strategic-planning mailing list > Ws-strategic-planning at lists.owasp.org > https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/ws-strategic-planning > _______________________________________________ > Ws-strategic-planning mailing list > Ws-strategic-planning at lists.owasp.org > https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/ws-strategic-planning From christian.heinrich at owasp.org Sun Oct 16 20:37:24 2011 From: christian.heinrich at owasp.org (Christian Heinrich) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:37:24 +1100 Subject: [Ws-strategic-planning] [Esapi-user] OWASP Leadership/Occupy Wall Street In-Reply-To: References: <4861F6A0384C874894534A485C43C18FC758AEB9C5@GVW0671EXC.americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: Tom, Can you please forward https://lists.owasp.org/pipermail/owasp-leaders/2011-October/006305.html to webappsec at lists.owasp.org and ws-strategic-planning at lists.owasp.org as I am not a member of these mailing lists? On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Thomas Brennan wrote: > He is not on the NYC board. > > Call me (9732020122) with questions sent from a mobile device > > On Oct 16, 2011, at 7:38 PM, "McGovern, James" wrote: > >> Did he violate any of the OWASP by-laws? He did adhere to the principle making things open :-) >> >> OWASP doesn't focus on privacy (in a more broader sense) and therefore we collectively don't have a shared collective opinion. >> >> My take on it is that I will more than likely visit the Occupy Hartford sometime this week out of curiousity and support for people who are bold enough to take a stand on something they have passion around and anyone is welcome to spy on me including Tom. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ws-strategic-planning-bounces at lists.owasp.org [mailto:ws-strategic-planning-bounces at lists.owasp.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Walton >> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 7:30 PM >> To: webappsec at lists.owasp.org; ESAPI User List; esapi-dev at lists.owasp.org; ws-strategic-planning at lists.owasp.org; owasp-board at lists.owasp.org >> Subject: [Ws-strategic-planning] OWASP Leadership/Occupy Wall Street >> >> I'm very concerned that Thomas Ryan sits on the OWASP board. I clearly >> don't condone spying on private citizens, [illegally?] accessing mail >> servers, and participating in smear campaigns. Is this the sort of >> leadership the project wants? >> >> "Meet the Guy Who Snitched on Occupy Wall Street to the FBI and NYPD", >> http://gawker.com/5850054/meet-the-guy-who-snitched-on-occupy-wall-street-to-the-fbi-and-nypd >> >> ? ?Since the Occupy Wall Street protest began on >> ? ?September 17, New York security consultant >> ? ?Thomas Ryan has been waging a campaign to >> ? ?infiltrate and discredit the movement. >> ? ?... >> >> ? ?As part of their intelligence-gathering operation, >> ? ?the [Ryan's] group gained access to a listserv used >> ? ?by Occupy Wall Street organizers called >> ? ?September17discuss... On Friday, Ryan leaked >> ? ?thousands of September17discuss emails to >> ? ?conservative blogger Andrew Breitbart, who is now >> ? ?using them to try to smear Occupy Wall Street as >> ? ?an anarchist conspiracy to disrupt global markets. >> ? ?... >> >> ? ?Interestingly, it was Ryan who revealed himself as a snitch. >> ? ?We learned of these emails from the archive Ryan leaked >> ? ?yesterday in the hopes of undermining the Occupy Wall >> ? ?Street movement. In assembling the archive of >> ? ?September17discuss emails, it appears he accidentally >> ? ?included some of his own forwarded emails indicating he >> ? ?was ratting out organizers. >> ? ?... >> >> ? ?Ryan said he knows Loyd through their mutual involvement >> ? ?in the Open Web Application Security Project, a non-profit >> ? ?computer security group of which Ryan is a board member. >> _______________________________________________ >> Ws-strategic-planning mailing list >> Ws-strategic-planning at lists.owasp.org >> https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/ws-strategic-planning >> _______________________________________________ >> Ws-strategic-planning mailing list >> Ws-strategic-planning at lists.owasp.org >> https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/ws-strategic-planning > _______________________________________________ > Esapi-user mailing list > Esapi-user at lists.owasp.org > https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/esapi-user > -- Regards, Christian Heinrich http://www.owasp.org/index.php/user:cmlh