[Owasp_technical_project_advisors] Meeting Minutes and Action Items

Johanna Curiel johanna.curiel at owasp.org
Wed Aug 7 02:24:50 UTC 2013

Hi Advisors, Samantha

did you have the opportunity to discuss how do we split the projects we will reviewing?

I think is a good idea that we split and phase the projects we will review. Do you have at the moment a implementation on how we will do this?

I'm trying to go one by one on the status of the  lab projects and I'm busy creating a report on the status and my analysis approach of these ones 

best regards


On Aug 6, 2013, at 9:42 PM, Samantha Groves <samantha.groves at owasp.org> wrote:

> Hello Advisors,
> Thank you so much for joining today's call. I think we had some excellent discussions that helped us get some ideas flowing within the group. Below, you will find a brief outline of our meeting minutes along with the action items for our next call, and call in details for our next meeting. 
> Meeting Minutes: Advisor's 2nd Meeting - August 6th, 2013
> Attendees
> Samantha Groves
> Ly Vandy
> Christopher Bush
> Chuck Cooper
> Joshua Clements
> Agenda
> - Pending Items: Wiki account access, other technical issues.
> - Project Summit Participation
>   - AppSec USA Conference: November 18th - 21st
>   - Location: Times Square, New York
>   - Question: Will you be able to come for an in-person Advisor's working session during the conference? We will be working along side a handfull of Flagship Project Leaders. Let me know so I can propose this to the Local Event Managers. 
> - Discussion: Assessment Criteria Questions, Comments, Suggestions, and Next Steps.
>  - Notes via Joshua. Thank you Joshua for sharing your notes with the group. They are incredibly helpful. 
> ----------------------------------
> From ???
> - Can we make suggestions for requirements for projects?  Yes
> 	- Is there an MVP for the project?
> 	- better description of the project
> 		- what's the concern that the project is addressing
> 		- What's the MVP
> From Chris -- 
> - share examples of a good project
> - define success criteria of a flagship project?
> - how do we summarize the guidelines for a successful project
> 	- a roadmap?
> - Have a mentor for incubator projects
> 	- from a well-run project
> 	- have a list ready to go so that an incubator project can request leads from other projects
> 	- would need to have a process around this
> 		- define the list
> 		- defi
> 	- missing details on what a successful OAuth project is
> From ???
> - for documentation project -- does it need to be possible to convert to OWASP book
> 	- no -- because some documentation projects are videos
> 	- yes -- if the documentation project is a document only
> From Samantha
> - Goals of the team???
> 	- Samantha will send over the database of projects -- just a spreadsheet
> 	- Current goal of team is to handle the acceptance process
> 	- There's a process in place to see if the project has been updated in at least 6 months
> 	- previously, reviewers have QUIT because the review process is just too much work
> 		- need to be able to review and then stop on a project, not continue to review over and over
> 	- need to not have to review future deliverables on a project
> 	- the project handbook has assessment results sheet available somewhere -- I didn't see it
> ----------------------------------
> Action Items: Taken from Joshua's Notes and Modified to show additions
> - Samantha to send over more information on AspectUSA conference: AppSec USA Website
> - Samantha to send out some assessment results.
>   - Example 1: OWASP ZAP: Deliverable release 1.3.0 Assessment
>   - Example 2: OWASP Codes of Conduct for Government Bodies: Green Book V1.1 Assessment
>   - Example 3: OWASP Codes of Conduct for Standards Groups: Yellow Book V1.1 Assessment
>   - Primary concerns: While the reviews did occur, they are random and there is very little rigour to them. Currently, anyone in the OWASP Community can review a project, but not everyone should be. These particular assessments where conducted by trusted OWASP Members, but even they only answered "yes" and "no" to several of the questions. I feel if we are going to increase the quality of our projects, there must be more rigour in our assessments, and there must be more information in each reviewers responses. Why did they say yes, for example. 
> - Samantha to send out "next steps" that occurred after assessment. 
>    - After Assessment, the project leader can publicly state that their release has been officially reviewed by OWASP. The issue is that our review criteria lacks rigour, our reviewers are random, and there is nothing stopping one Leader's mate to say yes to all of our criteria questions thereby passing his mate's assessment. This has occurred in the past which means we have many projects with official OWASP reviewed releases that are of very poor quality, as some of you noted on today's call. This, as you can imagine, decreases our brand value over time. 
> - Samantha to send over database of projects: Project Inventory Link
> - Advisors to review current project inventor.
> - Advisors to develop a list of successful/Flagship project's Best Practices, and be ready to share and discuss the list on our next meeting. 
> - Ly's Assessment Criteria spreadsheet: I have created a new version of Ly's spreadsheet. Let's use this as the Master document. Please place your changes, notes, comments, additions, etc on this document. When you add or delete something, please make sure to create a comment on the section with your name on it so we know you have edited something. 
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> Please do reach out to me if you have questions about any of the items above. I know it can be a bit overwhelming working with OWASP as there is quite a bit of information and history to take in, at first. People usually describe it as drinking out of a fire hose. :) Please do let me know if there is any other direction I can provide, or any other information you need. Again, thank you so much for your time and work on this project. 
> Have a great rest of the week, Advisors. 
> Samantha Groves
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