[Owasp_project_leader_list] [Owasp-leaders] OWASP Project Manager Report: March 28, 2014

Eoin Keary eoin.keary at owasp.org
Sun Mar 30 17:38:04 UTC 2014


All,
Please keep personal spats off the list. 
Grow up, act professional. 
We are on the same team here. Everyone should also take onboard criticism with flattery and as interest in their activities.  

Eoin Keary
Owasp Global Board
+353 87 977 2988


On 29 Mar 2014, at 10:25, Samantha Groves <samantha.groves at owasp.org> wrote:

> Jim,
> 
> I am sorry to disappoint you, but no you were not the only leader to throw a tantrum on the staff this week. You certainly were one of them, but not the only one. I deal with over 100 leaders in any given day so to assume that my reports are only about your actions is very inaccurate. 
> 
> Now, I appreciate your concerns, and if you would take the time to read about the very hard work our community members have accomplished (mainly our technical project advisors who are very "Technical") that were brought together after you refused to help me put this assessment criteria together after yet another tantrum of yours, you would know the hard work that went into creating this system/criteria. I recommend familiarizing yourself with the process before making very inaccurate assumptions about what is actually happening. 
> 
> What the advisors did at the summit: pg. 25
> 
> Definition of assessments/reviews: Chapter 7
> 
> Jim, I love and respect you as a person, but this behavior is very detrimental to our community and serves no purpose other than to alienate very hard working volunteers that are taking on a task that has not been able to be managed in a very long time (even before my time here) due to the large amount of projects we have in our inventory and the lack of resources we have as an organization. You, as one of our Board of Directors, should know this better than anyone in our community. If you have a better way of managing this, then by all means recommend it. Just remember, I am not managing 5 projects, I am managing 177 and our system must accommodate them all. 
> 
> I implore you to take a step back, and think about what your actions are actually accomplishing.
> 
> With respect,
> 
> Samantha
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 11:43 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>> Samantha,
>> 
>> In this report you say:
>> 
>> "My suggestion to those that are so very quick to criticizes the hard work of others is to please familiarize yourself with the actual efforts that have gone into these endeavors. If you see an issue with something that we have done, please let us know, and I welcome you to pitch in and help out. Many of our processes and procedures are dependent on volunteer contributions, and if we have no support in these areas, then there isn't much we can do on the operations side as the resources we require are simply not available."
>> 
>> That was most certainly me. I have been concerned that the various code projects at the flagship level are not deserving of that status. I have also requested that several projects I assist or manage be evaluated and it's been 6+ months with no activity on that front - or better put, as a project manager of 3 OWASP projects that I've requested evaluation for, no one has contacted me as a project manager about the status of those reviews, so I imagine other project managers in this situation have gotten the same.
>> 
>> What made me flip from "patience on this" to "alerting the board and Sarah that I am very concerned about what is going on" is that finally when you asked me to distribute a form to help folks evaluate Dependency Check, it was nonsensical. It was a list of OpenSAMM categorizes that should be used to evaluate a companies SDLC; categories that really have nothing to do with OWASP project quality evaluation. It makes me ask, what is going on? And I'm very upset that this form is being using the evaluate other projects, it a step in the wrong direction. I'd like to see this fixed really soon.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> - Jim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/29/14, 8:53 AM, Samantha Groves wrote:
>>> Hello Leaders, 
>>> 
>>> Below is the link to my weekly projects report. Please reach out to me if you have any questions about any of the items in the report, and I will do my best to answer them. 
>>> 
>>> Projects Weekly Report: March 28, 2014
>>> 
>>> Have a great weekend. 
>>> 
>>> Thank you, Leaders.
>>> 
>>> Samantha
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Samantha Groves, MBA
>>> OWASP Projects Manager
>>> 
>>> The OWASP Foundation
>>> Phoenix, USA
>>> Email: samantha.groves at owasp.org
>>> Skype: samanthahz 
>>> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Samantha Groves, MBA
> OWASP Projects Manager
> 
> The OWASP Foundation
> Phoenix, USA
> Email: samantha.groves at owasp.org
> Skype: samanthahz 
> 
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