[Owasp_project_leader_list] OWASP Project Audits

Samantha Groves samantha.groves at owasp.org
Wed Apr 23 19:54:43 UTC 2014


Ah, I think we have confusion. I don't mean review like a full review. I
meant, we have to ask if they are active or not. Does that clarify it?


On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 12:41 PM, johanna curiel curiel <
johanna.curiel at owasp.org> wrote:

> A few more questions, Johanna. If you are not doing the documentation
> projects for the Incubator stage, who is? Any takers?
>
> Has any sense to review experimental incubator projects? I don't think so
> after all the emails regarding the purpose of these reviews and how much
> time it requires to do it and that is not realistic to do it etc.
>
> I personally like to research and test code and tool projects because I'm
> a pen tester and programmer but I have no time or interest to read
> documentation. And this takes also a lot of time.
>
> I think that reviewing incubators projects contradicts what we have
> mentioned regarding Project reviews.
>
> Samantha could you clarify what is the purpose of reviewing incubators
> projects, especially documentation projects?
> again  I mentioned this should be done by request.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 3:34 PM, johanna curiel curiel <
> johanna.curiel at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>> Are you planning on letting the lab project leaders know you are doing
>> this? I recommend at least sending them a quick message of intent. ;-) Just
>> my two cents, but that is up to you.
>>
>> The prefer way to go is that the project leaders set their own account,
>> not me.
>>
>> I think most lab & flagship projects are already in ohloh. I agree on
>> sending a message before doing so but I can always change the account
>> settings to allow project leaders manage their own accounts
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Samantha Groves <
>> samantha.groves at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> A few more questions, Johanna. If you are not doing the documentation
>>> projects for the Incubator stage, who is? Any takers?
>>>
>>> Also, in regard to the below statement...
>>>
>>> *Also if project leaders are not setting an account in ohloh, it makes
>>> it difficult to measure but still looking at the repository activities ,
>>> mailing list for example also provides this info but it has to be done
>>> manually. I'll probably start adding(LAB) OWASP projects in ohloh for the
>>> purpose to gathering data metrics.*
>>>
>>> Are you planning on letting the lab project leaders know you are doing
>>> this? I recommend at least sending them a quick message of intent. ;-) Just
>>> my two cents, but that is up to you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> SG
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org>wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1 I like this direction, Johanna. :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jim Manico
>>>> @Manicode
>>>> (808) 652-3805
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 23, 2014, at 11:55 AM, johanna curiel curiel <
>>>> johanna.curiel at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. I need an as close to as possible accurate list of Active projects
>>>> by the beginning of June. <-- This is what I care about the most.
>>>>
>>>> I'm working on cleaning inactive projects from LABS. Got 1 reaction.
>>>> I'll send a reminder the coming 3 weeks, no reaction , those projects will
>>>> be set as inactive.
>>>> I'll foucs right now on cleaning this list
>>>>
>>>> 2. How we do it? I leave that up to you guys/the community.
>>>>
>>>> last year I worked on reviewing Incubators Tools & Code projects.The
>>>> list I sent is quite accurate so far and Jim worked updating some info in
>>>> it. I have no time to fill in criteria forms and I don't think this is
>>>> necessary.
>>>>
>>>> I based my judgment on activities in the project repository. 0 activity
>>>> means inactive.
>>>>
>>>> I'm researching why are projects becoming inactive. This is part of the
>>>> pilot project.
>>>>
>>>> I have time to review tools & code incubator projects only.
>>>>
>>>> *Also if project leaders are not setting an account in ohloh, it makes
>>>> it difficult to measure but still looking at the repository activities ,
>>>> mailing list for example also provides this info but it has to be done
>>>> manually. I'll probably start adding(LAB) OWASP projects in ohloh for the
>>>> purpose to gathering data metrics.*
>>>>
>>>> *Since Incubators are  experiments , I'll not focus my time on them. I
>>>> consider them so far a playground for experiments. *
>>>>
>>>> *If project leaders consider his project deserves to move from
>>>> Incubator to LAB or to flagship, it will important to demonstrate WHY.*
>>>>
>>>> *A more intensive accurate review will be needed for this but ONLY IF
>>>> REQUESTED BY THE PROJECT LEADER.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Samantha Groves <
>>>> samantha.groves at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Great suggestion, guys. Yes, we need to take the other two into
>>>>> account, as well. I am looping in Johanna as she is working on this, as
>>>>> well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just so we are all clear on what the end game is:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. I need an as close to as possible accurate list of Active projects
>>>>> by the beginning of June. <-- This is what I care about the most.
>>>>> 2. How we do it? I leave that up to you guys/the community.
>>>>> 3. You can use the process/documents I used in the past, but I leave
>>>>> that up to this team to decide. I trust you all know what you are doing. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> questions/concerns?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 12:29 AM, psiinon <psiinon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed - I was thinking more about code based projects :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Simon,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It depends. A documentation project like the OWASP Top Ten gets
>>>>>>> released every three years and that seems ok to me. For an active code
>>>>>>> library I'd expect to see activity every month or two, similar to a
>>>>>>> assessment tool.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tricky problem here....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jim Manico
>>>>>>> @Manicode
>>>>>>> (808) 652-3805
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2014, at 11:01 AM, Samantha Groves <
>>>>>>> samantha.groves at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree. Lets get started? Who is doing what? I can send our form to
>>>>>>> the lists.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:00 AM, psiinon <psiinon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I vote for a relatively aggressive approach to demoting projects.
>>>>>>>> No apparent code changes, releases or home page edits in the last
>>>>>>>> 12 months? Email leader saying demotion is immanent. No response to email
>>>>>>>> in one month? Demote.
>>>>>>>> 1 email explaining why the project is still alive: keep alive for
>>>>>>>> now..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That should weed out a load of the deadwood!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Obviously promoting projects requires a bit more effort, but ask
>>>>>>>> the leaders to justify promotion as they have a vested interest in making
>>>>>>>> it so, and that reduces the load on the reviewers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Simon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Samantha,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What was the result of the previous project audit?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My understanding is that no project has moved up or down the
>>>>>>>>> project hierarchy in the past few years.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just curious what the endgame or goal is here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Jim Manico
>>>>>>>>> @Manicode
>>>>>>>>> (808) 652-3805
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Samantha Groves <
>>>>>>>>> samantha.groves at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you guys.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> +1 I love it, and I would love it more if I had a handful of
>>>>>>>>> people pitching in as I think it will go way faster. The last audit took
>>>>>>>>> quite a while to do. The next one was scheduled to start in June, but we
>>>>>>>>> have started early.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For reference, this is what I did the last time:
>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AllOCxlYdf1AdEdCYVJpdmZHaWJYZ055WHROa19qN3c&usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I put together the form Simon suggested:
>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/forms/d/14DYS3kY6P2uqJqAMd3F-cMfUPg-DXCK3sQvtggZ1gek/viewform
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. We can e-mail this list, and all of
>>>>>>>>> the other known active project leaders. They all have 3 weeks to respond,
>>>>>>>>> as Johanna suggested. I agree with that. After that, the project is marked
>>>>>>>>> inactive. How does that sound?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Matt Tesauro <
>>>>>>>>> matt.tesauro at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I agree that a quick survey of the project leaders may help get
>>>>>>>>>> enough responses so that a sorting can occur allowing more detailed audits
>>>>>>>>>> of the more active projects.  If a project won't answer a short form, they
>>>>>>>>>> are quite unlikely to do a few audit.  Its also possible that I'm ignorant
>>>>>>>>>> of all the work you're doing on these audits.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I do think you're doing awesome (and somewhat thankless) work.  I
>>>>>>>>>> remember trying to herd the cats while part of the Global Project
>>>>>>>>>> Committee.  It is not an easy task.  Thanks for all your awesome work so
>>>>>>>>>> far.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> -- Matt Tesauro
>>>>>>>>>> OWASP WTE Project Lead
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Live_CD_Project
>>>>>>>>>> http://AppSecLive.org - Community and Download site
>>>>>>>>>> OWASP OpenStack Security Project Lead
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_OpenStack_Security_Project
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 4:33 AM, psiinon <psiinon at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Samantha,
>>>>>>>>>>> cc OWASP Project leaders,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Auditing all of the OWASP Projects (as per
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/OWASP/Projects_Task_Force/issues/2) seems to
>>>>>>>>>>> be a significant undertaking, and its one I think the project leaders could
>>>>>>>>>>> (and possible _should_) help with.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How about setting up a simple form with high level questions
>>>>>>>>>>> like:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    - Project name:
>>>>>>>>>>>    - Leaders name:
>>>>>>>>>>>    - Ohloh link:
>>>>>>>>>>>    - Source control link (if not on Ohloh):
>>>>>>>>>>>    - Is your project active? (Yes, No, Clinging on for dear
>>>>>>>>>>>    life)
>>>>>>>>>>>    - When was the last release?
>>>>>>>>>>>    - Link to last release:
>>>>>>>>>>>    - When do you think the next release will be?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Or whatever questions you want the answers to, but something
>>>>>>>>>>> that someone can fill in very quickly.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then ask all of the project leaders to fill that out for each of
>>>>>>>>>>> their projects.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The audit should go further than this, but at least that would
>>>>>>>>>>> be really useful input which project leaders should be able to supply quite
>>>>>>>>>>> easily.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And if a leader doesnt fill in this form after being prompted a
>>>>>>>>>>> couple of times then maybe we should just move it to inactive status?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Simon
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> OWASP ZAP <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/ZAP> Project leader
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Samantha Groves, MBA*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *OWASP Projects Manager*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The OWASP Foundation
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Phoenix, USA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Email: samantha.groves at owasp.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Skype: samanthahz
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> OWASP ZAP <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/ZAP> Project leader
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Samantha Groves, MBA*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *OWASP Projects Manager*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The OWASP Foundation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phoenix, USA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Email: samantha.groves at owasp.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Skype: samanthahz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> OWASP ZAP <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/ZAP> Project leader
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> *Samantha Groves, MBA*
>>>>>
>>>>> *OWASP Projects Manager*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The OWASP Foundation
>>>>>
>>>>> Phoenix, USA
>>>>>
>>>>> Email: samantha.groves at owasp.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Skype: samanthahz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OWASP Global Projects<https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Project>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *Samantha Groves, MBA*
>>>
>>> *OWASP Projects Manager*
>>>
>>>
>>> The OWASP Foundation
>>>
>>> Phoenix, USA
>>>
>>> Email: samantha.groves at owasp.org
>>>
>>> Skype: samanthahz
>>>
>>>
>>> OWASP Global Projects<https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Project>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>


-- 

*Samantha Groves, MBA*

*OWASP Projects Manager*


The OWASP Foundation

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