[Owasp_project_leader_list] OWASP Project Audits

Samantha Groves samantha.groves at owasp.org
Wed Apr 23 19:34:02 UTC 2014


Brilliant! That is what I needed to know. Thank you for keeping me in the
loop. ;-)


On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 12:27 PM, johanna curiel curiel <
johanna.curiel at owasp.org> wrote:

>
> Can you re-send the list? I want to make sure we are talking about the
> same thing.
>
> https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Am8S4R_cON7JdC1DMEVqS2VnZUM3R0x1Y2U1NzQyNXc&usp=drive_web#gid=0
>
> To confirm, you only looked at Tool and Code Projects that are Incubators?
> Yes
>
> Did you review them based on quality or activity?
> Activity and quality based on their documentation on how to install the
> projects and the releases, versioning, testing etc.
>
> If activity, did you both ask any of the Leaders about their activity? If
> so, did they confirm their activity or inactivity?
> We sent an email weeks ago about it. Jim reacted and a couple of Project
> leaders. Many didn't.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>> +1 I like this direction, Johanna. :)
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jim Manico
>> @Manicode
>> (808) 652-3805
>>
>> On Apr 23, 2014, at 11:55 AM, johanna curiel curiel <
>> johanna.curiel at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> 1. I need an as close to as possible accurate list of Active projects by
>> the beginning of June. <-- This is what I care about the most.
>>
>> I'm working on cleaning inactive projects from LABS. Got 1 reaction. I'll
>> send a reminder the coming 3 weeks, no reaction , those projects will be
>> set as inactive.
>> I'll foucs right now on cleaning this list
>>
>> 2. How we do it? I leave that up to you guys/the community.
>>
>> last year I worked on reviewing Incubators Tools & Code projects.The list
>> I sent is quite accurate so far and Jim worked updating some info in it. I
>> have no time to fill in criteria forms and I don't think this is necessary.
>>
>> I based my judgment on activities in the project repository. 0 activity
>> means inactive.
>>
>> I'm researching why are projects becoming inactive. This is part of the
>> pilot project.
>>
>> I have time to review tools & code incubator projects only.
>>
>> *Also if project leaders are not setting an account in ohloh, it makes it
>> difficult to measure but still looking at the repository activities ,
>> mailing list for example also provides this info but it has to be done
>> manually. I'll probably start adding(LAB) OWASP projects in ohloh for the
>> purpose to gathering data metrics.*
>>
>> *Since Incubators are  experiments , I'll not focus my time on them. I
>> consider them so far a playground for experiments. *
>>
>> *If project leaders consider his project deserves to move from Incubator
>> to LAB or to flagship, it will important to demonstrate WHY.*
>>
>> *A more intensive accurate review will be needed for this but ONLY IF
>> REQUESTED BY THE PROJECT LEADER.*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Samantha Groves <
>> samantha.groves at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Great suggestion, guys. Yes, we need to take the other two into account,
>>> as well. I am looping in Johanna as she is working on this, as well.
>>>
>>> Just so we are all clear on what the end game is:
>>>
>>> 1. I need an as close to as possible accurate list of Active projects by
>>> the beginning of June. <-- This is what I care about the most.
>>> 2. How we do it? I leave that up to you guys/the community.
>>> 3. You can use the process/documents I used in the past, but I leave
>>> that up to this team to decide. I trust you all know what you are doing. :-)
>>>
>>> questions/concerns?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 12:29 AM, psiinon <psiinon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Agreed - I was thinking more about code based projects :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Simon,
>>>>>
>>>>> It depends. A documentation project like the OWASP Top Ten gets
>>>>> released every three years and that seems ok to me. For an active code
>>>>> library I'd expect to see activity every month or two, similar to a
>>>>> assessment tool.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tricky problem here....
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jim Manico
>>>>> @Manicode
>>>>> (808) 652-3805
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 22, 2014, at 11:01 AM, Samantha Groves <
>>>>> samantha.groves at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree. Lets get started? Who is doing what? I can send our form to
>>>>> the lists.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:00 AM, psiinon <psiinon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I vote for a relatively aggressive approach to demoting projects.
>>>>>> No apparent code changes, releases or home page edits in the last 12
>>>>>> months? Email leader saying demotion is immanent. No response to email in
>>>>>> one month? Demote.
>>>>>> 1 email explaining why the project is still alive: keep alive for
>>>>>> now..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That should weed out a load of the deadwood!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obviously promoting projects requires a bit more effort, but ask the
>>>>>> leaders to justify promotion as they have a vested interest in making it
>>>>>> so, and that reduces the load on the reviewers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Samantha,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What was the result of the previous project audit?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My understanding is that no project has moved up or down the project
>>>>>>> hierarchy in the past few years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just curious what the endgame or goal is here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jim Manico
>>>>>>> @Manicode
>>>>>>> (808) 652-3805
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 22, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Samantha Groves <
>>>>>>> samantha.groves at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you guys.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1 I love it, and I would love it more if I had a handful of people
>>>>>>> pitching in as I think it will go way faster. The last audit took quite a
>>>>>>> while to do. The next one was scheduled to start in June, but we have
>>>>>>> started early.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For reference, this is what I did the last time:
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AllOCxlYdf1AdEdCYVJpdmZHaWJYZ055WHROa19qN3c&usp=sharing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I put together the form Simon suggested:
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/forms/d/14DYS3kY6P2uqJqAMd3F-cMfUPg-DXCK3sQvtggZ1gek/viewform
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me know what you think. We can e-mail this list, and all of the
>>>>>>> other known active project leaders. They all have 3 weeks to respond, as
>>>>>>> Johanna suggested. I agree with that. After that, the project is marked
>>>>>>> inactive. How does that sound?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Matt Tesauro <
>>>>>>> matt.tesauro at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree that a quick survey of the project leaders may help get
>>>>>>>> enough responses so that a sorting can occur allowing more detailed audits
>>>>>>>> of the more active projects.  If a project won't answer a short form, they
>>>>>>>> are quite unlikely to do a few audit.  Its also possible that I'm ignorant
>>>>>>>> of all the work you're doing on these audits.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do think you're doing awesome (and somewhat thankless) work.  I
>>>>>>>> remember trying to herd the cats while part of the Global Project
>>>>>>>> Committee.  It is not an easy task.  Thanks for all your awesome work so
>>>>>>>> far.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> -- Matt Tesauro
>>>>>>>> OWASP WTE Project Lead
>>>>>>>> http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Live_CD_Project
>>>>>>>> http://AppSecLive.org - Community and Download site
>>>>>>>> OWASP OpenStack Security Project Lead
>>>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_OpenStack_Security_Project
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 4:33 AM, psiinon <psiinon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Samantha,
>>>>>>>>> cc OWASP Project leaders,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Auditing all of the OWASP Projects (as per
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/OWASP/Projects_Task_Force/issues/2) seems to
>>>>>>>>> be a significant undertaking, and its one I think the project leaders could
>>>>>>>>> (and possible _should_) help with.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How about setting up a simple form with high level questions like:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    - Project name:
>>>>>>>>>    - Leaders name:
>>>>>>>>>    - Ohloh link:
>>>>>>>>>    - Source control link (if not on Ohloh):
>>>>>>>>>    - Is your project active? (Yes, No, Clinging on for dear life)
>>>>>>>>>    - When was the last release?
>>>>>>>>>    - Link to last release:
>>>>>>>>>    - When do you think the next release will be?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or whatever questions you want the answers to, but something that
>>>>>>>>> someone can fill in very quickly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then ask all of the project leaders to fill that out for each of
>>>>>>>>> their projects.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The audit should go further than this, but at least that would be
>>>>>>>>> really useful input which project leaders should be able to supply quite
>>>>>>>>> easily.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And if a leader doesnt fill in this form after being prompted a
>>>>>>>>> couple of times then maybe we should just move it to inactive status?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Simon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> OWASP ZAP <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/ZAP> Project leader
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Samantha Groves, MBA*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *OWASP Projects Manager*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The OWASP Foundation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phoenix, USA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Email: samantha.groves at owasp.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Skype: samanthahz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> OWASP ZAP <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/ZAP> Project leader
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> *Samantha Groves, MBA*
>>>>>
>>>>> *OWASP Projects Manager*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The OWASP Foundation
>>>>>
>>>>> Phoenix, USA
>>>>>
>>>>> Email: samantha.groves at owasp.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Skype: samanthahz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OWASP Global Projects<https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Project>
>>>>>
>>>>> Book a Meeting with Me <http://goo.gl/mZXdZ>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> OWASP ZAP <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/ZAP> Project leader
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *Samantha Groves, MBA*
>>>
>>> *OWASP Projects Manager*
>>>
>>>
>>> The OWASP Foundation
>>>
>>> Phoenix, USA
>>>
>>> Email: samantha.groves at owasp.org
>>>
>>> Skype: samanthahz
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Book a Meeting with Me <http://goo.gl/mZXdZ>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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-- 

*Samantha Groves, MBA*

*OWASP Projects Manager*


The OWASP Foundation

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Email: samantha.groves at owasp.org

Skype: samanthahz


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