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    Yea, I see what you are saying but I do not see that as a problem
    Neil.... How does it cause harm?<br>
    <br>
    With respect,<br>
    Jim<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/18/14, 3:36 PM, Neil Smithline
      wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAH4vb=1AW9Dt4AMdDw7A=40r5wY7hXGmgQaJ0CqozcYSsKnN2Q@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">"<span
        style="font-size:small;background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">OWASP
        Boot Camp Project" or any subcategory that says "(empty)" next
        to it<span></span></span><br>
      <br>
      On Monday, August 18, 2014, Jim Manico <<a
        moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org">jim.manico@owasp.org</a>>
      wrote:<br>
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        <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Empty subcategories makes
          sense. A subcategory and contents of a subcategory are two
          different things....<br>
          <br>
          Can you give me an example?<br>
          <br>
          Aloha,<br>
          Jim<br>
          <br>
          <div>On 8/15/14, 12:56 PM, Neil Smithline wrote:<br>
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0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span
                  style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Cool?

                  Wanna give it a go, Neil?</span></blockquote>
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              <div>Huh? Me!??! OK. I was planning on it :)</div>
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              <div>I'll try to create templates for the formatting so
                that we can repeat it on other category pages where we
                think it's appropriate.</div>
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              <div>Do you have any idea why empty subcategories show up
                in the page? I checked a few of the pages and found
                subcategory pages that have been customized but contain
                no pages in them. That seems broken to me. My guess is
                that there were pages in that category, someone
                customized the category page, the pages were deleted or
                moved to another category. Now we're left with these
                dangling category pages. They probably need cleaning up
                as well :(</div>
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                  Neil Smithline<br>
                  408-634-5764<br>
                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://www.neilsmithline.com/" target="_blank">http://www.neilsmithline.com</a></div>
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              <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 6:14 PM,
                Jim Manico <span dir="ltr"><<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jim.manico@owasp.org');"
                    target="_blank">jim.manico@owasp.org</a>></span>
                wrote:<br>
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                  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> +1 I like what
                    you did there.<br>
                    <br>
                    Between adding the OWASP banner and doing the
                    highlighting, I think these pages will be a lot more
                    attractive without major effort or redesign.<br>
                    <br>
                    Cool? Wanna give it a go, Neil?<br>
                    <br>
                    Aloha,<br>
                    Jim
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                        <div>On 8/15/14, 12:01 PM, Neil Smithline wrote:<br>
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                          <div dir="ltr">Ahh. I seem to have consistent
                            ideas. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Top_10_2013-Table_of_Contents"
                              target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Top_10_2013-Table_of_Contents</a>
                            is a page where I manually created the
                            top-half of a category page to look nice,
                            leaving the bottom half looking ugly. We
                            could do something like this for <a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Authentication_Cheat_Sheet"
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Authentication_Cheat_Sheet</a><font
                              face="arial, sans-serif">.</font>
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                            <div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Neil</font></div>
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                                Neil Smithline<br>
                                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="tel:408-634-5764"
                                  value="+14086345764" target="_blank">408-634-5764</a><br>
                                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://www.neilsmithline.com/"
                                  target="_blank">http://www.neilsmithline.com</a></div>
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                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 15,
                              2014 at 5:47 PM, Neil Smithline <span
                                dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','neil.smithline@owasp.org');"
                                  target="_blank">neil.smithline@owasp.org</a>></span>
                              wrote:<br>
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                                <div dir="ltr">OK. There's very little
                                  flexibility on the category pages. We
                                  can't do anything to change the format
                                  of the existing one (<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="http://enil.us/1sK7M13"
                                    target="_blank">http://enil.us/1sK7M13</a>). 


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                                  <div>We can create something
                                    autoformatted using <a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://enil.us/1re1mHQ"
                                      target="_blank">http://enil.us/1re1mHQ</a>.
                                    We'll need to get that extension
                                    installed (I'm guessing that it
                                    isn't).</div>
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                                  <div>If we create a substitute for the
                                    category page. It will need to have
                                    a different URL. This will affect
                                    the search function as I don't
                                    believe that we can remove the
                                    existing category page as it's
                                    auto-generated. So both our new page
                                    and the old category page will have
                                    search hits. We *might* be able to
                                    put a redirect on the current
                                    category page to our new page. I
                                    haven't tested if this is possible.<br>
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                                  <div>If we can't create a redirect, we
                                    can just create a pretty top to the
                                    current category page that is
                                    formatted similar to<span
                                      style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"> </span><a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Authentication_Cheat_Sheet"
style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Authentication_Cheat_Sheet</a> and


                                    leave the nasty category stuff at
                                    the bottom of the page. Not a great
                                    solution but a definite improvement.</div>
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                                        Neil Smithline<br>
                                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="tel:408-634-5764"
                                          value="+14086345764"
                                          target="_blank">408-634-5764</a><br>
                                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="http://www.neilsmithline.com/"
                                          target="_blank">http://www.neilsmithline.com</a></div>
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                                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri,
                                        Aug 15, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Neil
                                        Smithline <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','neil.smithline@owasp.org');"
                                            target="_blank">neil.smithline@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                        wrote:<br>
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                                          <div dir="ltr">I agree that
                                            the default category page
                                            looks ugly. In general I'm
                                            not a big Mediawiki format
                                            fan.
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                                            <div>The category page is
                                              automatically generated.
                                              There's no need to add new
                                              pages to it. If you add a
                                              new page to the category,
                                              it will automatically
                                              appear. The cheat sheet
                                              guide is manually created
                                              via the template at <a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php?title=Template:Cheatsheet_Navigation_Body&action=edit"
                                                target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php?title=Template:Cheatsheet_Navigation_Body&action=edit</a>. </div>
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                                            <div>So if we change the
                                              category page we'll either
                                              lose the automatic
                                              maintenance of the links
                                              or need to learn how to
                                              keep the automatic listing
                                              function available. Also,
                                              the "Category:" URL is
                                              special to Mediawiki and
                                              we're limited in the
                                              changes we can do (at
                                              least in a straightforward
                                              way). I'll see what I can
                                              google about monkeying
                                              with category pages.</div>
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                                            <div>Neil</div>
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                                                    Neil Smithline<br>
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href="http://www.neilsmithline.com/" target="_blank">http://www.neilsmithline.com</a></div>
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                                                <div class="gmail_quote">On

                                                  Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at
                                                  3:49 PM, Jim Manico <span
                                                    dir="ltr"><<a
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jim.manico@owasp.org');"
                                                      target="_blank">jim.manico@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                                  wrote:<br>
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                                                    Editors,<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    This download page
                                                    ...<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <a
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Download"
                                                      target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Download</a><br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    ... is one of the
                                                    top ten most popular
                                                    pages in recent
                                                    months.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    It looks awkward. Do
                                                    you think styling
                                                    this like <a
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Authentication_Cheat_Sheet"
                                                      target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Authentication_Cheat_Sheet</a>
                                                    or similar is
                                                    prudent?<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    Aloha,<br>
                                                    Jim<br>
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        Neil Smithline<br>
        408-634-5764<br>
        <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.neilsmithline.com/"
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