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    Empty subcategories makes sense. A subcategory and contents of a
    subcategory are two different things....<br>
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    Can you give me an example?<br>
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    Aloha,<br>
    Jim<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/15/14, 12:56 PM, Neil Smithline
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAH4vb=1DOAr4mj=tqDg8X=DzBw91VHM4D13eJKh24prBCxAn3A@mail.gmail.com"
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0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span
            style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Cool?
            Wanna give it a go, Neil?</span></blockquote>
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        <div>Huh? Me!??! OK. I was planning on it :)</div>
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        <div>I'll try to create templates for the formatting so that we
          can repeat it on other category pages where we think it's
          appropriate.</div>
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        <div>Do you have any idea why empty subcategories show up in the
          page? I checked a few of the pages and found subcategory pages
          that have been customized but contain no pages in them. That
          seems broken to me. My guess is that there were pages in that
          category, someone customized the category page, the pages were
          deleted or moved to another category. Now we're left with
          these dangling category pages. They probably need cleaning up
          as well :(</div>
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            Neil Smithline<br>
            408-634-5764<br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://www.neilsmithline.com/" target="_blank">http://www.neilsmithline.com</a></div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Jim
          Manico <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org" target="_blank">jim.manico@owasp.org</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> +1 I like what you
              did there.<br>
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              Between adding the OWASP banner and doing the
              highlighting, I think these pages will be a lot more
              attractive without major effort or redesign.<br>
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              Cool? Wanna give it a go, Neil?<br>
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              Aloha,<br>
              Jim
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                  <div>On 8/15/14, 12:01 PM, Neil Smithline wrote:<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr">Ahh. I seem to have consistent
                      ideas. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Top_10_2013-Table_of_Contents"
                        target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Top_10_2013-Table_of_Contents</a>
                      is a page where I manually created the top-half of
                      a category page to look nice, leaving the bottom
                      half looking ugly. We could do something like this
                      for <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Authentication_Cheat_Sheet"
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Authentication_Cheat_Sheet</a><font
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                      <div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Neil</font></div>
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                          Neil Smithline<br>
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="tel:408-634-5764" value="+14086345764"
                            target="_blank">408-634-5764</a><br>
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://www.neilsmithline.com/"
                            target="_blank">http://www.neilsmithline.com</a></div>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at
                        5:47 PM, Neil Smithline <span dir="ltr"><<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:neil.smithline@owasp.org"
                            target="_blank">neil.smithline@owasp.org</a>></span>
                        wrote:<br>
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                          <div dir="ltr">OK. There's very little
                            flexibility on the category pages. We can't
                            do anything to change the format of the
                            existing one (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="http://enil.us/1sK7M13"
                              target="_blank">http://enil.us/1sK7M13</a>). 

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                            <div>We can create something autoformatted
                              using <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://enil.us/1re1mHQ"
                                target="_blank">http://enil.us/1re1mHQ</a>.
                              We'll need to get that extension installed
                              (I'm guessing that it isn't).</div>
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                            <div>If we create a substitute for the
                              category page. It will need to have a
                              different URL. This will affect the search
                              function as I don't believe that we can
                              remove the existing category page as it's
                              auto-generated. So both our new page and
                              the old category page will have search
                              hits. We *might* be able to put a redirect
                              on the current category page to our new
                              page. I haven't tested if this is
                              possible.<br>
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                            <div>If we can't create a redirect, we can
                              just create a pretty top to the current
                              category page that is formatted similar to<span
style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"> </span><a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Authentication_Cheat_Sheet"
style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Authentication_Cheat_Sheet</a> and

                              leave the nasty category stuff at the
                              bottom of the page. Not a great solution
                              but a definite improvement.</div>
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                                  Neil Smithline<br>
                                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="tel:408-634-5764"
                                    value="+14086345764" target="_blank">408-634-5764</a><br>
                                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="http://www.neilsmithline.com/"
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                                <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 15,
                                  2014 at 5:25 PM, Neil Smithline <span
                                    dir="ltr"><<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:neil.smithline@owasp.org"
                                      target="_blank">neil.smithline@owasp.org</a>></span>
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                                    <div dir="ltr">I agree that the
                                      default category page looks ugly.
                                      In general I'm not a big Mediawiki
                                      format fan.
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                                      <div>The category page is
                                        automatically generated. There's
                                        no need to add new pages to it.
                                        If you add a new page to the
                                        category, it will automatically
                                        appear. The cheat sheet guide is
                                        manually created via the
                                        template at <a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php?title=Template:Cheatsheet_Navigation_Body&action=edit"
                                          target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php?title=Template:Cheatsheet_Navigation_Body&action=edit</a>. </div>
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                                      <div>So if we change the category
                                        page we'll either lose the
                                        automatic maintenance of the
                                        links or need to learn how to
                                        keep the automatic listing
                                        function available. Also, the
                                        "Category:" URL is special to
                                        Mediawiki and we're limited in
                                        the changes we can do (at least
                                        in a straightforward way). I'll
                                        see what I can google about
                                        monkeying with category pages.</div>
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                                      <div>Neil</div>
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                                              Neil Smithline<br>
                                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="tel:408-634-5764"
                                                value="+14086345764"
                                                target="_blank">408-634-5764</a><br>
                                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.neilsmithline.com/" target="_blank">http://www.neilsmithline.com</a></div>
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                                          <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                            Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 3:49
                                            PM, Jim Manico <span
                                              dir="ltr"><<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org"
                                                target="_blank">jim.manico@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                            wrote:<br>
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                                              Editors,<br>
                                              <br>
                                              This download page ...<br>
                                              <br>
                                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Download"
                                                target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Download</a><br>
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                                              ... is one of the top ten
                                              most popular pages in
                                              recent months.<br>
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                                              It looks awkward. Do you
                                              think styling this like <a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Authentication_Cheat_Sheet"
                                                target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Authentication_Cheat_Sheet</a>
                                              or similar is prudent?<br>
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                                              Aloha,<br>
                                              Jim<br>
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