[Owasp-topten] OWASP Quotes Violation by Aspect Security for Sonatype
jim.manico at owasp.org
Sat May 18 22:57:43 UTC 2013
Because you are a "founder", X-board member, and a leader of the Top
Ten, you have a special fiduciary duty to act in the interest of
OWASP, including brand neutrality rules (that you partially created),
when you publicly talk about the OWASP Top Ten.
On May 18, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Jeff Williams
<jeff.williams at aspectsecurity.com> wrote:
> I do not speak for OWASP. Nobody does. The OWASP Quotes idea was my failed attempt to try to create such a voice.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Williams
> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 1:56 PM
> To: 'Dinis Cruz'; Jim Manico
> Cc: Dennis Groves; owasp-topten at lists.owasp.org
> Subject: RE: [Owasp-topten] OWASP Quotes Violation by Aspect Security for Sonatype
> Thank you Dinis and Dennis. A9 is an important issue and I stand by the quote.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Manico [mailto:jim.manico at owasp.org]
> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 4:00 PM
> To: Dennis Groves
> Cc: Christian Heinrich; Jeff Williams; owasp-topten at lists.owasp.org
> Subject: Re: [Owasp-topten] OWASP Quotes Violation by Aspect Security for Sonatype
> What I am saying is that just because I'm a board member, or a founding member, or a active volunteer, it doesn't mean I should get special treatment when it comes to brand usage and other fiduciary duty. You are implying just that. It's our duty as a board member to hold up these values of vendor neutrality and brand usage stronger than most.
> Now I'm not saying that this is a great evil either. This is (in my
> opinion) an "external" brand violation which I am a LOT less concerned about than internal OWASP brand abuse. But Christian does have a point here, and his comments have merit. We are discussing this at the board level right now.
> Jim Manico
> (808) 652-3805
> On May 18, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Dennis Groves <dennis.groves at owasp.org> wrote:
>> On 18 May 2013, at 7:14, Jim Manico wrote:
>>> Your ethics are way off base here.
>> Seriously? You think that treating people you disagree with poorly is ethical? Is that your definition of Open? You do not think we should treat each other, as we would want others to treat us? Namaste - Jim, remember namaste.
>>> On May 18, 2013, at 10:25 AM, Dennis Groves <dennis.groves at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>> With all due respect,
>>>> I consider Jeff and Dave to be founding members and indeed the reason that OWASP survived and flourished. Mark also believed in them, indeed he turned OWASP over to them; and Jeff and Dave gave OWASP stability and the OWASP Top 10. Our beloved community would likely not exist, or would be entirely unheard of if not for their contributions.
>>>> Everybody here at OWASP to one degree or another should be first assumed to have good intentions - even when the community has been *seemingly* harmed. Our mission is based in altruismm and we all have various degrees of comfort with this selflessness and will all make different choices based upon our understating and commitment to altruistic behaviour.
>>>> Times changes many things, but we all owe respect to Dave and Jeff, first of all because we should treat others the way we want others to treat us, and second because without their contributions we would very likely not have an OWASP community to be part of.
>>>> I ask the community to keep those rulse in mind when dealing with each and every member of OWASP, we have all paid a price to be here; and we have far more in common than not.
>>>> [Dennis Groves](http://about.me/dennis.groves), MSc [Email
>>>> me](mailto:dennis.groves at owasp.org) or [schedule a meeting](http://goo.gl/8sPIy).
>>>>> "Unless someone like you...cares a whole awful lot...nothing is
>>>>> going to get better...It's not." -- The Lorax
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>> [Dennis Groves](http://about.me/dennis.groves), MSc [Email
>> me](mailto:dennis.groves at owasp.org) or [schedule a meeting](http://goo.gl/8sPIy).
>>> "Unless someone like you...cares a whole awful lot...nothing is going
>>> to get better...It's not." -- The Lorax
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