[Owasp-topten] RFI taken out

Dave Wichers dave.wichers at aspectsecurity.com
Tue Nov 17 18:39:22 EST 2009

One of the reasons I don't mind rolling LDAP and Command Injection into
Injection is that the primary issue is SQL Injection (which is extremely
prevalent). Command injection is becoming relatively rare and LDAP
injection is also relatively rare, so the fact that we lose a little
focus on those two issues is OK in my opinion, but rolling XSS into
injection as well would be a huge mistake since XSS is probably the
hardest item in the Top 10 to completely eliminate from an application.

I've worked with clients for over 5 years trying to stomp out the top 10
and we get SQL Injection licked in like 6 months and it never reappers
and yet we are STILL struggling with XSS because it's SO complicated to
deal with across a large application portfolio and it's SO EASY to
reintroduce it even if you think you made it go away.

So, again, I think both topics are extremely important and each need
their own visibility in the Top 10.


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[mailto:owasp-topten-bounces at lists.owasp.org] On Behalf Of Tyler Reguly
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:51 AM
To: Ty Miller
Cc: owasp-topten at lists.owasp.org
Subject: Re: [Owasp-topten] RFI taken out

>From my point of view, I was fairly neutral on the removal of
"Malicious File Execution" but I would like to continue a statement
I'd made previously on this list. If it continues to deserve a spot on
the list, this is the perfect time to roll XSS into Injection and open
up a spot. After all XSS, at a basic level, is just HTML Injection...
and if we've already got SQL Injection, LDAP Injection and OS Command
Injection, why not bring this one into the injection pile as well?


On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Ty Miller <tyronmiller at gmail.com>
> Hey guys,
> You know this comment would be coming (if it hasn't already and I
> missed it) ... But, here goes ... and to put it clearly so there are
> no misunderstandings ...
> "What were you guys smoking when you took RFI out of the top 10???"
> I understand that RFI mainly affects php about 99.99% of the time, but
> this vuln is out there and organisations are getting smashed with it.
> I am the CTO of a pen testing company who also does digital forensics
> when clients ring up in a panic saying "OMG, we've been hacked! What
> do we do?"
> The top two ways that organisations were being hacked via their web
> apps that we saw was SQLi followed very closely by RFI.
> I was expecting this vuln to be moved up the ranks, especially when I
> read about the focus being more concentrated on the risk rather than
> how common the vuln is ... But to my extreme suprise, it was gone!
> If I had the choice between RFI and XSS to exploit and weigh up the
> risks, RFI would win hands down.
> BTW, doc looks good.
> Ty
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