[Owasp-testing] Testing Guide V4 - Start up

rick.mitchell at bell.ca rick.mitchell at bell.ca
Fri Aug 31 15:00:00 UTC 2012


For SQLi if we're including Oracle as its own sub-category it would make more sense from my perspective and experience to also include MS SQL and MySQL (vs. SQLite). (That's not meant to put down SQLite in any manner, I just see the other two as much more prevalent so far....)


From: owasp-testing-bounces at lists.owasp.org [mailto:owasp-testing-bounces at lists.owasp.org] On Behalf Of Ismael Rocha
Sent: August 31, 2012 10:29 AM
To: Amro
Cc: owasp-testing at lists.owasp.org
Subject: Re: [Owasp-testing] Testing Guide V4 - Start up

Hello all!

The following are some points I've noticed we can improve/add/discuss. It's not organized, it's a brainstorm about some subjects. Maybe some of them are already related with some section.
This weekend I'm gonna try to make it organized and submit it to the list.

General
    LFI/RFI

Application Discovery
    Entry points
       -> Include Ajax as well

ViewState tests (.NET/JSF)

SQL Injection
 Oracle
  BlindSQLInjection
  Out of band techniques
 SQLite
  Is it worth to add it?

SSO SAML (SSO Profile)
 -> Bind (post/get)
 -> Token Signature
 -> Anonymity
 -> OneTimeUse
 -> NotBefore
 -> Local Logout
 -> Global Logout
 -> DoS

DoS
 -> Slow HTTP Get
 -> Slow HTTP Pos

SSL Test
 -> Enhace (maybe based on Qualys SSLlabs results and tests?)

Evasive Techniques
 -> Is it worth? One per section or one chapter?

Top Ten X Testing Guide Cross-Reference Table

About the chapter Value The Real Risk I think we have to fix the calculations.
I think the risk rates (low and high) compared to the examples are wrong.

Maybe somethings I put here is too specific but maybe it's worth to think about one way to put them.

Regards.

Ismael Gonçalves


On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Amro <amro at owasp.org<mailto:amro at owasp.org>> wrote:
We can add both based on the attack factor while list of Webscarab and ZAP capabilities will leave the tester to decide what tool to use without pushing him/her for a particular one.

below are my suggestions

(Dedicated section for relevant OWASP tools as we need to attract supporters)

Tool Name: X Y Z
Project leader: ( This will help the project leader getting suggestions to improve his/her project)
Short introduction ( high level introduction that should not exceed one or two lines)
Features: ( we can list them or provide a direct link to the project wiki)
Video tutorial: ( if applicable )
Download: ( direct download link or the project wiki)

And so on .......

I think by doing the above we will hit two birds with one stone ( market our tools and leave the tester to decide what tool he/she need the most based on the tool features/capabilities)

Regards,
Amro


On 8/31/12 2:48 PM, psiinon wrote:
I'd definitely like to be closely involved in the ZAP related sections, but very happy for Amro to lead on it.

Cheers,

Simon
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Matteo Meucci <matteo.meucci at owasp.org<mailto:matteo.meucci at owasp.org>> wrote:
Hi Simon,
yep I agree.

Maybe we can distinguish as follow for each paragraph:
- OWASP Tools:
 (Flagship, Labs, Incubator, Archive)
- Other Open Source tools:

I think that a contributor should be dedicated to verifies which tests
are suitable using ZAP (maybe Amro who writes the Appendix A "Testing
Tools")?

Thanks,
Mat



On 08/31/2012 09:56 AM, psiinon wrote:
> I think its right for us to suggest an open source tool (or tools) for
> using in each section, however I dont think we should view this as a ZAP
> vs WebScarab contest.
> We want to suggest the best possible tool, but I also think that its
> reasonable for us to /prefer /OWASP ones.
> But we should also favour tools that are more mature and/or more
> frequently updated.
> For OWASP tools I think we can rely on the new classifications:
> Flagship, Labs, Incubator, Archive.
> So I think its really a sliding scale.
> If theres a Flagship OWASP project that is great at finding a specific
> type of vulnerability then we should definitely use that as the example.
> If not then we have to balance how relevant that tool is likely to remain.
> A brand new Incubator project might be great in one specific case, but
> may also not really be in a fit state for most people to use, or the
> project may quickly wither and die.
> And if a well regarded non OWASP open source tool is the best option
> then we should use that.
>
> Going back to ZAP, I obviously hope it will be the ideal tool in many
> cases :)
> And helping to establish if this is the case and explaining exactly how
> ZAP can be used may be the most effective way I can contribute to this
> guide.
>
> But I also want to use this process to learn where ZAP's weaknesses are.
> And depending on how long it takes to produce the guide we (the ZAP
> developers) may be able to enhance specific areas of ZAP as the work on
> the guide develops.
> So please let me know asap if/when you work on an area of the guide that
> you dont think ZAP is effective in helping with, or if you would like
> advice and guidance on how to use ZAP as effectively as possible.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Simon (ZAP Project Lead)
>
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Matteo Meucci <matteo.meucci at owasp.org<mailto:matteo.meucci at owasp.org>
> <mailto:matteo.meucci at owasp.org<mailto:matteo.meucci at owasp.org>>> wrote:
>
>     Perfect!
>     I've updated the wiki, thanks!
>
>     Mat
>
>     On 08/30/2012 11:15 PM, Amro wrote:
>     > Thanks Mat,
>     >
>     > Please assign this task to me and I will make sure that our tool
>     sets are updated.
>     >
>     > Regards,
>     > Amro
>     > Sent from BlackBerry®. Excuse typo's and brevity.
>     >
>     > -----Original Message-----
>     > From: Matteo Meucci <matteo.meucci at owasp.org<mailto:matteo.meucci at owasp.org>
>     <mailto:matteo.meucci at owasp.org<mailto:matteo.meucci at owasp.org>>>
>     > Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 23:11:41
>     > To: <amro at owasp.org<mailto:amro at owasp.org> <mailto:amro at owasp.org<mailto:amro at owasp.org>>>
>     > Cc: <owasp-testing-bounces at lists.owasp.org<mailto:owasp-testing-bounces at lists.owasp.org>
>     <mailto:owasp-testing-bounces at lists.owasp.org<mailto:owasp-testing-bounces at lists.owasp.org>>>;
>     <owasp-testing at lists.owasp.org<mailto:owasp-testing at lists.owasp.org> <mailto:owasp-testing at lists.owasp.org<mailto:owasp-testing at lists.owasp.org>>>
>     > Subject: Re: [Owasp-testing] Testing Guide V4 - Start up
>     >
>     > Hi Amro,
>     > good question related to the tools. Here we have to update many
>     references.
>     >
>     > Usually at the end of each article we suggest to use a particular open
>     > source tool to perform the test. I think we can use and suggest
>     both the
>     > tools in many situations.
>     > Also the Appendix A "Testing Tools" should pick all the testing tools
>     > cited in the Testing Guide and give more details.
>     >
>     > Thanks,
>     > Mat
>     >
>     > On 08/30/2012 10:58 PM, Amro wrote:
>     >> Please count me in as well .. Are we gonna use ZAP instead of
>     WebScarab in the new version?
>     >>
>     >> Regards,
>     >> Amro
>     >> Sent from BlackBerry®. Excuse typo's and brevity.
>     >>
>     >> -----Original Message-----
>     >> From: Matteo Meucci <matteo.meucci at owasp.org<mailto:matteo.meucci at owasp.org>
>     <mailto:matteo.meucci at owasp.org<mailto:matteo.meucci at owasp.org>>>
>     >> Sender: owasp-testing-bounces at lists.owasp.org<mailto:owasp-testing-bounces at lists.owasp.org>
>     <mailto:owasp-testing-bounces at lists.owasp.org<mailto:owasp-testing-bounces at lists.owasp.org>>
>     >> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:40:29
>     >> To: <owasp-testing at lists.owasp.org<mailto:owasp-testing at lists.owasp.org>
>     <mailto:owasp-testing at lists.owasp.org<mailto:owasp-testing at lists.owasp.org>>>
>     >> Subject: [Owasp-testing] Testing Guide V4 - Start up
>     >>
>     >> Hi all Testing Guide contributors.
>     >>
>     >> Testing Guide v4 has been approved as Projects Reboot 2012!
>     >> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Projects_Reboot_2012
>     >>
>     >> Here is the list of contributors I've collected:
>     >>
>     >> Pavol Luptak
>     >> Marco Morana
>     >> Giorgio Fedon
>     >> Stefano Di Paola
>     >> Gianrico Ingrosso
>     >> Giuseppe Bonfà
>     >> Roberto Suggi Liverani
>     >> Robert Smith
>     >> Andrew Muller
>     >> Robert Winkel
>     >> tripurari rai
>     >> Thomas Ryan
>     >> tim bertels
>     >> Cecil Su
>     >> Aung KhAnt
>     >> Norbert Szetei
>     >> michael.boman
>     >> Wagner Elias
>     >> Kevin Horvat
>     >> Juan Galiana Lara
>     >> Kenan Gursoy
>     >> Jason Flood
>     >> Javier Marcos de Prado
>     >> Sumit Siddharth
>     >> Mike Hryekewicz
>     >> psiinon
>     >> Ray Schippers
>     >> Raul Siles
>     >> Jayanta Karmakar
>     >> Brad Causey
>     >> Vicente Aguilera
>     >> Ismael Gonçalves
>     >>
>     >> Reviewers team:
>     >>
>     >> Paolo Perego
>     >> Daniel Cuthbert
>     >> Matthew Churcher
>     >> Lode Vanstechelman
>     >> Sebastien Gioria
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> Introduction and Project purpose for v4:
>     >> ============================ =============
>     >> The OWASP Testing Guide v3 includes a "best practice" penetration
>     >> testing framework which users can implement in their own
>     organizations
>     >> and a "low level" penetration testing guide that describes techniques
>     >> for testing most common web application and web service security
>     >> issues. Nowadays the Testing Guide has become the standard to perform
>     >> a Web Application Penetration Testing and many Companies all around
>     >> the world have adopted it.
>     >> It is vital for the project mantaining an updated project that
>     >> represents the state of the art for WebAppSec.
>     >>
>     >> Project Roadmap
>     >> =============
>     >>
>     >> - (1) 1st phase: Brainstorming and create a new table of contents
>     >>
>     >> Objective: creating a new table of contents of the OTGv4
>     >> assigning a task for each contributor.
>     >> I created a new OWASP Testing Guide v4 table of Contents here:
>     >>
>     https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Testing_Guide_v4_Table_of_Contents
>     >>
>     >> - (2) 2nd phase:  Writing
>     >> 20th September 2012: Start writing the articles
>     >> 1st November 2012: 1st Draft
>     >> 30th November: end of writing phase
>     >>
>     >> - (3) 3rd phase: Reviewing
>     >>
>     >> - 1st December 2012: Starting the review phase,
>     >> - 15th December 2012: Create the RC1,
>     >> - 31st January 2013: Release the version 4.
>     >>
>     >> Timeline November 2012 1st Draft, January 2013 Final Release
>     >>
>     >> So, let's start discussion about phase (1)!
>     >>
>     >> Thanks!
>     >> Mat
>     >>
>     >> --
>     >> Matteo Meucci
>     >> OWASP Testing Guide Lead
>     >> OWASP-Italy President
>     >>
>     >>
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>

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Matteo Meucci
OWASP Testing Guide Lead
OWASP Italy President



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