<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Chiming in here for the first time is a long time.....<div>This is well thought out of I may say but chapter and project leads are what makes OWASP. With the 2 events EU & USA, I think active chapter leads and project leads should get a ticket as meeting other in person is always a great benefit. </div><div><br></div><div>When I was in the global board the foundation had a surplus of $2,000,000, if this is still the case it’s a good investment to get people together. Without good people OWASP is just a wiki!!<div><br><div><br><div id="AppleMailSignature">@eoinkeary<div>OWASP since 2004!!</div></div><div><br>On 23 Aug 2018, at 15:02, Travis McPeak <<a href="mailto:travis.mcpeak@gmail.com">travis.mcpeak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hi all,<div><br></div><div>I delayed responding to this thread because I can see it both ways. Here's where I have personally ended up:</div><div><br></div><div>As a chapter leader I can vouch for the countless hours of unpaid time spent by my co-leaders and me on running our chapter. We do this because we love the local security community and our sister communities in OWASP. Wearing this hat, I think "damn, doesn't OWASP care enough to pay for my party ticket?"</div><div><br></div><div>On the other hand I have begun to see some of the financial struggles the Foundation has been dealing with. I really appreciate that when I submit an expense there are a team of people that make sure I get reimbursed. The marketing at big conferences such as DefCon benefits all of us, and yet my chapter didn't directly pay for it.</div><div><br></div><div>At the end of the day we need to decide what kind of conference we're running. Is it a working group of OWASP people and we invite some outsiders to subsidize our costs, or is this a big flagship conference that pays the bills all year?</div><div><br></div><div>I think there is room for both, but in providing free conference tickets the Foundation is essentially giving us the benefit of everything that incurred fixed costs, mainly the venue, which is damn expensive.</div><div><br></div><div>They are asking us to offset the additional costs that we create by attending a party that probably charges by head. In my mind that's a fair request to keep the Foundation running and doing the stuff I don't want to do myself as a chapter leader. I'll be attending the party and paying for the ticket out of pocket.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>-Travis (Bay Area)</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Aug 23, 2018, 5:14 AM Bjoern Kimminich <<a href="mailto:bjoern.kimminich@owasp.org">bjoern.kimminich@owasp.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>I don't think it's wise to make project leads, chapter leads and volunteers pay for the networking events. Unless<div>- it's really cheap (but then, no need to charge volunteers in the first place)</div><div>- or the chapters/projects pay for it (which is a left-pocket-right-pocket game for OWASP eventually)</div><div><br></div><div>We do not want to end up having a pricey "VIP networking event" only for the full-paying participants and OWASP volunteers organizing their own event (or just get-together) on the side. The social event is a great chance for regular conference visitors to meet OWASP leaders! The leaders should be seen as an asset that gets more people to join the social event! Same as the speakers! And the volunteers helping with the conference should get free attendance just for helping, obviously.</div></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Björn</div></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Dirk Wetter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dirk@owasp.org" target="_blank">dirk@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
<br>
Maybe I missed something during my vacation, but for the sake of our community I think<br>
here is some discussion and transparency needed with the decision makers.<br>
<br>
For the sake of our community it would be great to discuss also how we deal with volunteers.<br>
At the London AppSec I found it kind of unthankful that they weren't invited for the networking<br>
event. I know the get-together was horribly expensive (GBP 125 + VAT) but we are all<br>
one community.<br>
<br>
Cheers, Dirk<br>
<br>
<br>
On 20.08.2018 15:24, Avi D (OWASP Israel) wrote:<br>
> Wait, leaders are being /charged/ to attend – and /still/ not allowed to join the social<br>
<span>> dinner?? I can’t believe they’re doing that again, after it was such a negative affect at<br>
> AppSecUK…<br>
> <br>
>  <br>
> <br>
> What about the training, how can we register for that as leaders?<br>
> <br>
>  <br>
> <br>
> Avi D<br>
> <br>
>  <br>
> <br>
>  <br>
> <br>
</span>> *From:*owasp-leaders-bounces+avi.douglen=<a href="mailto:owasp.org@lists.owasp.org" target="_blank">owasp.org@lists.owasp.org</a><br>
> [mailto:<a href="mailto:owasp-leaders-bounces%2Bavi.douglen" target="_blank">owasp-leaders-bounces+avi.douglen</a>=<a href="mailto:owasp.org@lists.owasp.org" target="_blank">owasp.org@lists.owasp.org</a>] *On Behalf Of *Jim Weiler<br>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 17, 2018 22:24<br>
> *To:* Brett Gravois <<a href="mailto:brett.gravois@owasp.org" target="_blank">brett.gravois@owasp.org</a>><br>
> *Cc:* <a href="mailto:owasp-leaders@lists.owasp.org" target="_blank">owasp-leaders@lists.owasp.org</a><br>
> *Subject:* Re: [Owasp-leaders] AppSec USA<br>
<span>> <br>
>  <br>
> <br>
> The overview page says chapter leaders pay $700 - <br>
> <br>
> Chapter Leader/Project Leader/Event Volunteer<br>
> <br>
>       <br>
> <br>
> $700<br>
> <br>
>       <br>
> <br>
> Includes conference program for two days, coffee breaks, lunch and  expo. Conference networking<br>
> event ticket is NOT included<br>
> <br>
</span>> I logged in with a previous AppSec login to <a href="http://myowasp.force.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">myowasp.force.com</a> <<a href="http://myowasp.force.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://myowasp.force.com</a>> with<br>
<span>> my OWASP email  and it found my chapter Leader badge.  The registration page had all the<br>
> various combinations and costs and there was one for 'Conference' for chapter leaders and it<br>
> was 0$. <br>
> <br>
>  <br>
> <br>
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 2:00 PM, Brett Gravois <<a href="mailto:brett.gravois@owasp.org" target="_blank">brett.gravois@owasp.org</a><br>
</span><span>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:brett.gravois@owasp.org" target="_blank">brett.gravois@owasp.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>     I logged in a guest with my owasp email.<br>
> <br>
>     Also just noticed that this is almost right on top of Derbycon...<br>
> <br>
>      <br>
> <br>
>     - Brett<br>
> <br>
>      <br>
> <br>
>     On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 10:47 AM, Jim Weiler <<a href="mailto:jim.weiler@owasp.org" target="_blank">jim.weiler@owasp.org</a><br>
</span><span>>     <mailto:<a href="mailto:jim.weiler@owasp.org" target="_blank">jim.weiler@owasp.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>         Forgot to reply all - <br>
> <br>
>         What do you enter when registering so the system can identify you as a chapter leader?<br>
>         Register as Guest with your OWASP email? Or do we log in with one of our many OWASP<br>
>         accounts?<br>
> <br>
>          <br>
> <br>
>         On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Alex Lafrenz <<a href="mailto:alex.lafrenz@owasp.org" target="_blank">alex.lafrenz@owasp.org</a><br>
</span><span>>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:alex.lafrenz@owasp.org" target="_blank">alex.lafrenz@owasp.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>             All,<br>
> <br>
>              <br>
> <br>
>             Using the "Conference - Chapter Leader/Project Leader/Volunteer" option does reduce<br>
>             it to $0.00. It does not look there is an option to register for a training class<br>
>             using the same code however..<br>
> <br>
>              <br>
> <br>
>             Thank you,<br>
> <br>
> <br>
>             Alexander Lafrenz<br>
>             OWASP Inland Empire Co-Founder | Embedded AppSec Project Co-Leader<br>
> <br>
</span>>             <a href="mailto:alex.lafrenz@owasp.org" target="_blank">alex.lafrenz@owasp.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:alex.lafrenz@owasp.org" target="_blank">alex.lafrenz@owasp.org</a>><br>
<span>>             LinkedIn:<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexanderhlafrenz" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexanderhlafrenz</a><br>
> <br>
>             ==== <br>
>             Disclaimer: OWASP does not endorse or recommend commercial products or services<br>
>             allowing our community to remain vendor neutral with the collective wisdom of the<br>
>             best minds in application security worldwide. <br>
>             ====<br>
> <br>
>              <br>
> <br>
>             On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 5:12 PM, Bil Corry <<a href="mailto:bil.corry@owasp.org" target="_blank">bil.corry@owasp.org</a><br>
</span><span>>             <mailto:<a href="mailto:bil.corry@owasp.org" target="_blank">bil.corry@owasp.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>                 It shows up as $700 for me as well.  I think it is based off a back-end list of<br>
>                 leaders and if you're not on the list, it doesn't show up as free.<br>
> <br>
>                  <br>
> <br>
>                  <br>
> <br>
>                 - Bil<br>
> <br>
>                  <br>
> <br>
>                  <br>
> <br>
>                  <br>
> <br>
>                 On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 4:21 PM, Milton Smith <<a href="mailto:milton.smith@owasp.org" target="_blank">milton.smith@owasp.org</a><br>
</span><span>>                 <mailto:<a href="mailto:milton.smith@owasp.org" target="_blank">milton.smith@owasp.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>                     FYI - That was the option I selected.  (Attached)<br>
> <br>
>                     —Milton<br>
> <br>
>                      <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
</span><span>>                         On Aug 16, 2018, at 3:30 PM, Martín Villalba <<a href="mailto:martin.villalba@owasp.org" target="_blank">martin.villalba@owasp.org</a><br>
</span><span>>                         <mailto:<a href="mailto:martin.villalba@owasp.org" target="_blank">martin.villalba@owasp.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>                          <br>
> <br>
>                         I was also able to register for free just fine for the conference<br>
>                         (talks) as a Chapter Leader.  As mentioned earlier, there's a specific<br>
>                         option that should show up for you that reads something like "Chapter<br>
>                         Leader / Project Leader / Volunteer", with a cost of $0.00 (free).<br>
> <br>
>                          <br>
> <br>
>                         Cheers,<br>
> <br>
>                         Martín.<br>
> <br>
>                          <br>
> <br>
>                          <br>
> <br>
>                          <br>
> <br>
>                         On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 1:22 PM, Brett Gravois <<a href="mailto:brett.gravois@owasp.org" target="_blank">brett.gravois@owasp.org</a><br>
</span><span>>                         <mailto:<a href="mailto:brett.gravois@owasp.org" target="_blank">brett.gravois@owasp.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>                             You have to choose the Chapter Leader option.<br>
> <br>
>                              <br>
> <br>
>                             On Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 2:16 PM Owen Pendlebury<br>
</span><span>>                             <<a href="mailto:owen.pendlebury@owasp.org" target="_blank">owen.pendlebury@owasp.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:owen.pendlebury@owasp.org" target="_blank">owen.pendlebury@owasp.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>                                 I recommend reaching out to Dawn who will be able to look in to<br>
>                                 it. <br>
> <br>
>                                  <br>
> <br>
>                                 It worked for me <br>
> <br>
>                                  <br>
> <br>
>                                 On Thu 16 Aug 2018 at 21:15, Milton Smith<br>
</span><span>>                                 <<a href="mailto:milton.smith@owasp.org" target="_blank">milton.smith@owasp.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:milton.smith@owasp.org" target="_blank">milton.smith@owasp.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>                                     I notice it charged me.<br>
> <br>
>                                     —Milton<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>                                         On Aug 16, 2018, at 1:13 PM, Owen Pendlebury<br>
>                                         <<a href="mailto:owen.pendlebury@owasp.org" target="_blank">owen.pendlebury@owasp.org</a><br>
</span><span>>                                         <mailto:<a href="mailto:owen.pendlebury@owasp.org" target="_blank">owen.pendlebury@owasp.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>                                          <br>
> <br>
>                                         Hi Brett,<br>
> <br>
>                                          <br>
> <br>
>                                         It’s using your leader badge and should automatically<br>
>                                         give you the discount when registering.<br>
> <br>
>                                          <br>
> <br>
>                                         There is no code required.<br>
> <br>
>                                          <br>
> <br>
>                                         Owen<br>
> <br>
>                                          <br>
> <br>
>                                         On Thu 16 Aug 2018 at 21:11, Brett Gravois<br>
>                                         <<a href="mailto:brett.gravois@owasp.org" target="_blank">brett.gravois@owasp.org</a><br>
</span><span>>                                         <mailto:<a href="mailto:brett.gravois@owasp.org" target="_blank">brett.gravois@owasp.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>                                             Is there a Chapter leader code? I don't think I saw<br>
>                                             anything about this, or it might be buried in my email.<br>
> <br>
>                                              <br>
> <br>
>                                             Thanks,<br>
> <br>
>                                             Brett Gravois<br>
> <br>
>                                             _______________________________________________<br>
>                                             OWASP-Leaders mailing list<br>
>                                             <a href="mailto:OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org" target="_blank">OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org</a><br>
</span>>                                             <mailto:<a href="mailto:OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org" target="_blank">OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org</a>><br>
<span>>                                             <a href="https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-leaders" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-leaders</a><br>
> <br>
>                                         -- <br>
> <br>
>                                         Owen Pendlebury @pendo19 OWASP Ireland-Dublin<br>
>                                         <a href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Ireland-Dublin" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Ireland-Dublin</a><br>
>                                         @AppSecIreland OWASP AppSec EU Committee/ Training<br>
>                                         Committee Chair <a href="https://2017.appsec.eu" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://2017.appsec.eu</a><br>
</span>>                                         <<a href="https://2017.appsec.eu/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://2017.appsec.eu/</a>> @appseceu<br>
<span>> <br>
>                                         _______________________________________________<br>
>                                         OWASP-Leaders mailing list<br>
>                                         <a href="mailto:OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org" target="_blank">OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org</a><br>
</span>>                                         <mailto:<a href="mailto:OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org" target="_blank">OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org</a>><br>
<span>>                                         <a href="https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-leaders" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-leaders</a><br>
> <br>
>                                      <br>
> <br>
>                                 -- <br>
> <br>
>                                 Owen Pendlebury @pendo19 OWASP Ireland-Dublin<br>
>                                 <a href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Ireland-Dublin" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Ireland-Dublin</a> @AppSecIreland<br>
>                                 OWASP AppSec EU Committee/ Training Committee Chair<br>
</span>>                                 <a href="https://2017.appsec.eu" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://2017.appsec.eu</a> <<a href="https://2017.appsec.eu/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://2017.appsec.eu/</a>> @appseceu<br>
> <br>
> <br>
>                             _______________________________________________<br>
>                             OWASP-Leaders mailing list<br>
>                             <a href="mailto:OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org" target="_blank">OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org" target="_blank">OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org</a>><br>
<span>>                             <a href="https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-leaders" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-leaders</a><br>
> <br>
>                          <br>
> <br>
>                         _______________________________________________<br>
>                         OWASP-Leaders mailing list<br>
</span>>                         <a href="mailto:OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org" target="_blank">OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org" target="_blank">OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org</a>><br>
<span>>                         <a href="https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-leaders" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-leaders</a><br>
> <br>
>                      <br>
> <br>
> <br>
>                     _______________________________________________<br>
>                     OWASP-Leaders mailing list<br>
</span>>                     <a href="mailto:OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org" target="_blank">OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org" target="_blank">OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org</a>><br>
<span>>                     <a href="https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-leaders" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-leaders</a><br>
> <br>
>                  <br>
> <br>
> <br>
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