<div dir="ltr">Mozilla is a nonprofit as well.<br>Non-web "security" items are discussed in our conferences.<br><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 1:26 PM Haral Tsitsivas <<a href="mailto:haral.tsitsivas@owasp.org">haral.tsitsivas@owasp.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg">Donald Trump may be a candidate for 2020, and however hilarious that is, no-one is talking about his candidacy... The discussion is about policy!<div class="gmail_msg">Of course any statement should be vetted with legal...</div></div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Tiffany Long <span dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:tiffany.long@owasp.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">tiffany.long@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg">Donald Trump filed his candidacy for 2020, he is officially a candidate again.  At this point any action must be run through a lawyer.  Any activities surrounding advocacy must be generated by the foundation (at the behest of the volunteers; with agreement from the board), must be directly related to the OWASP mission, and must not seek to single out any candidate specifically or by virtue of newly targeting a policy associated with that candidate.  <br class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">The shirts represented both candidates, advocated no policy, and were parody.  Therefore they were not in violation. <br class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">I want to be clear, I am not splashing cold water on any effort for volunteers to ask the organization to take any particular stance.  I just want to illuminate the restrictions which any action is bound by.  <br class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">I have a feeling this will come up a lot and in many countries with issues such as net neutrality, security research, etcetera and want our community to understand where we need to ask for legal guidance and where we can act as a multinational organization.  <br class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><img src="https://tracking.cirrusinsight.com/track?guid=07d04e50-de83-4d5c-8236-e130606fa16e&userid=005U0000006AIGXIA4" width="1" height="1" border="0" class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><span class="m_-2302187683201432198HOEnZb gmail_msg"><font color="#888888" class="gmail_msg"><br clear="all" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_-2302187683201432198m_1650289363839887934gmail_signature gmail_msg" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg">Tiffany Long<div class="gmail_msg"><font size="1" class="gmail_msg">Community Manager  </font></div></div></div></div></font></span><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_-2302187683201432198h5 gmail_msg">
<br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Mike McCabe <span dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:mccabe615@gmail.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">mccabe615@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg">Tiffany or Laura, can chime in but the t-shirts were run past a lawyer and since they neither endorsed a candidate or showed preference to either they were deemed 'ok'.<div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div></div><div class="m_-2302187683201432198m_1650289363839887934HOEnZb gmail_msg"><div class="m_-2302187683201432198m_1650289363839887934h5 gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Haral Tsitsivas <span dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:haral.tsitsivas@owasp.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">haral.tsitsivas@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg">The posted material seems to be related to campaigns and candidates.<div class="gmail_msg">POTUS 45 is already elected, so saying anything is taking a position on policy...</div><div class="gmail_msg">What are the rules for that?</div></div><div class="m_-2302187683201432198m_1650289363839887934m_8649700094735038953HOEnZb gmail_msg"><div class="m_-2302187683201432198m_1650289363839887934m_8649700094735038953h5 gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Tony Turner <span dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:tony.turner@owasp.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">tony.turner@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg">I don't think that is technically true. You cannot directly support or oppose a campaign but voter education IS allowed<input name="virtru-metadata" type="hidden" value="{"email-policy":{"state":"closed","expirationUnit":"days","disableCopyPaste":false,"disablePrint":false,"disableForwarding":false,"expires":false,"isManaged":false},"attachments":{}}" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg"><a href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/the-restriction-of-political-campaign-intervention-by-section-501-c-3-tax-exempt-organizations" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/the-restriction-of-political-campaign-intervention-by-section-501-c-3-tax-exempt-organizations</a><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">and also from a lobbyist standpoint, public education is also permitted but it starts getting hairy when you start asking people to contact their legal representatives</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg"><a href="https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/lobbying" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/lobbying</a><br class="gmail_msg"></div></div><div class="m_-2302187683201432198m_1650289363839887934m_8649700094735038953m_-7985999789568373295HOEnZb gmail_msg"><div class="m_-2302187683201432198m_1650289363839887934m_8649700094735038953m_-7985999789568373295h5 gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Tiffany Long <span dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:tiffany.long@owasp.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">tiffany.long@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg">Arturo, <br class="gmail_msg"><img src="https://tracking.cirrusinsight.com/track?guid=aab20cb3-a108-42aa-a9aa-9bac4359fb87&userid=005U0000006AIGXIA4" width="1" height="1" border="0" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">Due to domestic and international laws governing non-profits and our <span style="font-weight:bold;color:rgb(106,106,106);font-family:roboto,arial,sans-serif" class="gmail_msg">501(c</span><span style="color:rgb(84,84,84);font-family:roboto,arial,sans-serif" class="gmail_msg">)(3) status in the US Chapters are not allowed to advocate political or policy positions nor can they sign contracts for the foundation. </span></div><div class="gmail_msg"><span style="color:rgb(84,84,84);font-family:roboto,arial,sans-serif" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></span></div><div class="gmail_msg"><span style="color:rgb(84,84,84);font-family:roboto,arial,sans-serif" class="gmail_msg">Best, </span></div><div class="gmail_msg"><span style="color:rgb(84,84,84);font-family:roboto,arial,sans-serif" class="gmail_msg">Tiffany</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><span class="m_-2302187683201432198m_1650289363839887934m_8649700094735038953m_-7985999789568373295m_8207739313234173893HOEnZb gmail_msg"><font color="#888888" class="gmail_msg"><br clear="all" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_-2302187683201432198m_1650289363839887934m_8649700094735038953m_-7985999789568373295m_8207739313234173893m_827382734107199826gmail_signature gmail_msg" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg">Tiffany Long<div class="gmail_msg"><font size="1" class="gmail_msg">Community Manager  </font></div></div></div></div></font></span><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_-2302187683201432198m_1650289363839887934m_8649700094735038953m_-7985999789568373295m_8207739313234173893h5 gmail_msg">
<br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman <span dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:buanzo@buanzo.com.ar" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">buanzo@buanzo.com.ar</a>></span> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg">If I may drop an opinion, each OWASP *US* Chapter should be free to speak out, if the chapter's leadership so vote/decide/etc it. And OWASP should not need to declare that chapters are free to speak up, I think.<br class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-2302187683201432198m_1650289363839887934m_8649700094735038953m_-7985999789568373295m_8207739313234173893m_827382734107199826HOEnZb gmail_msg"><div class="m_-2302187683201432198m_1650289363839887934m_8649700094735038953m_-7985999789568373295m_8207739313234173893m_827382734107199826h5 gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Tony Turner <span dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:tony.turner@owasp.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">tony.turner@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg">I personally think we should avoid political activity unless it impacts our mission. If there are US based activities in support of the OWASP mission that are hampered by the ban then we should speak up, but otherwise stay out of it. For instance, if 90 days extends longer into the year and prevents foreign attendees from coming to AppSecUSA (or other activities, but I'm laser focused on Orlando right now) then that creates impact for our organization and our mission as a whole. That being said, I think there are ways to support our colleagues abroad without condemning the current US political leadership. <input name="virtru-metadata" value="{"email-policy":{"state":"closed","expirationUnit":"days","disableCopyPaste":false,"disablePrint":false,"disableForwarding":false,"expires":false,"isManaged":false},"attachments":{}}" type="hidden" class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_-2302187683201432198m_1650289363839887934m_8649700094735038953m_-7985999789568373295m_8207739313234173893m_827382734107199826m_-2155997121756480616h5 gmail_msg">On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Larry Conklin <span dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:larry.conklin@owasp.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">larry.conklin@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_-2302187683201432198m_1650289363839887934m_8649700094735038953m_-7985999789568373295m_8207739313234173893m_827382734107199826m_-2155997121756480616h5 gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" border="0" align="center" class="gmail_msg"><tbody class="gmail_msg"><tr class="gmail_msg"><td style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:1.5;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.67px" class="gmail_msg"><p class="gmail_msg">Personally I am torn here. Yes I want America safe. However I don't really see the value in a 90 days travel band is going to make America any safer.  Mozilla has spoken up against it. They are in many ways a community like ours. Should OWASP also go on record for support or against the travel ban?</p><p class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></p><p class="gmail_msg"><em class="gmail_msg">This past weekend the Trump Administration signed an executive order to temporarily suspend travel into the United States for individuals from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen and Libya. This is troubling for us as a community on many levels.</em></p></td></tr><tr class="gmail_msg"><td style="line-height:20px;font-size:20px" class="gmail_msg"><em class="gmail_msg"> </em></td></tr><tr class="gmail_msg"><td style="text-align:left;color:rgb(0,0,0);line-height:1.5;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.67px" class="gmail_msg"><em class="gmail_msg">Mozilla is a global community of people sharing ideas and working together. We believe in opportunity for all, freedom of ideas, and that multiculturalism is crucial to building a true global community. This is why Mozilla has taken a public position against the US immigration ban. </em></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg"><a href="https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/01/28/us-immigration-ban/" class="gmail_msg" target=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