<p dir="ltr">Nice list Jim, now we're talking :)</p>
<p dir="ltr">Lets see what happens</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 5 Dec 2015 3:35 am, "Jim Manico" <<a href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org">jim.manico@owasp.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    > If they are unhappy then I would like to know if they think
    anything should change, particularly with respect to the amount of
    time and money that is invested in them.<br>
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    Here are the following things the board is <i>considering</i>
    funding around projects right now. If you have any other suggestions
    - and I hope you do - now is THE TIME to get that strategy and
    funding allocations into this proposal for discussion. :)<br>
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              <p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.295;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Calibri;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Provide the OWASP projects community a mature project platform to encourage senior developers to participate in the various and many OWASP projects.  (Still valid objective statement, or update for 2016?)</span></p>
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              <p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.295;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Calibri;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Provide support for all aspects of Project creation, development, testing and publication to facilitate innovative and effective tools and documentation to make Application Security visible and accessible to all.</span></p>
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            <p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.295;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Calibri;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Funding Proposal: </span></p>
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              <p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.295;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Calibri;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">$100,000 for two (2) Project Summits ($50,000 each) or (1)  large Project Summit</span></p>
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              <p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.295;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Calibri;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">$30,000 for Community Engagement-Projects from Foundation Budget</span></p>
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              <p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.295;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Calibri;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">$25,000 for Summer/Winter of Code Program</span></p>
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              <p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.295;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Calibri;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Full-time Project Coordinator, staffed from Foundation Budget</span></p>
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              <p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.295;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Calibri;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">$25,000  for payments for contractors to conduct project reviews</span></p>
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              <p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.295;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Calibri;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">~$45,000 Carry-over budget from 2015 already allocated to specific Projects</span></p>
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            <p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.295;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Calibri;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Anticipated Output</span></p>
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              <p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.295;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Calibri;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Project Summits – 2 per year <b>or one big one</b>.  Aim for week long events.  $<b>10</b>0K @<b>50</b>K apiece.  Additional funding to come from ‘Sponsor donations’ or from Chapter donations</span></p>
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              <p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.295;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Calibri;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Upgrade IT infrastructure per Matt’s recommendations</span></p>
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              <p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.295;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Calibri;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Expand Project Task Force for improved Project review and community vetting process as projects graduate to Lab and Flagship status</span></p>
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            <p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.295;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:14.666666666666666px;font-family:Calibri;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:400;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap">Resource requirement.  Need Volunteers for Project Task Force plus Community Planning team, supported by staff to organize and implement.  Volunteers & funding.</span></p>
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    Other ideas being considered to enhance projects are listed here.
    John Melton, Josh and others added to this list.<br>
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      <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">New Project Ideas. Where is
        industry going, where will it be in 5 years? OWASP should
        suggest projects that we need and find team to build them!</li>
      <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Project Summit support &
        funding</li>
      <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">International Chapter / Region
        support & funding for projects</li>
      <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Hire full or part time technical
        writer to help with project (from Simon, flagship project lead)</li>
      <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">a platform for funding pull
        requests / contributions to projects - this could be a way to
        financially reward folks for contributing. I know ZAP recently
        experimented with this - not sure how it went, but we have money
        - might be a good way to spend it (maybe leveraging something
        like the bithub idea<a rel="nofollow" href="https://whispersystems.org/blog/bithub/" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);padding-right:13px;background:linear-gradient(transparent,transparent) 100% 50% no-repeat,url("") 100% 50%" target="_blank">https://whispersystems.org/blog/bithub/</a>). I
        would want the ability to personally remove myself from the
        ability of receiving payment. (from John Melton, flagship
        project lead)</li>
      <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">help with applying for grants -
        including letting us know of available grants and helping us do
        the paperwork if necessary</li>
      <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">make inter-project
        recommendations - since you sit at a level where you see various
        projects, maybe make recommendations for areas where multiple
        projects could collaborate for added value (from John Melton,
        flagship project lead)</li>
      <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">project of the month - this may
        already happen, but if not, maybe the newsletter could feature a
        project every month, including information like a project
        overview, an audio interview with the project leader(s), a list
        of priority tasks for people to help with, etc. (from John
        Melton, flagship project lead)</li>
      <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">get access to available free
        tools - I've actually seen several tools that are available for
        use within OWASP, though I hear about them haphazardly. It would
        be good if there were a single resource for leads to know what
        was available. Thinking of things like: free licenses of paid
        software (intellij, webex) or access to products/services
        (surveymonkey, AWS, GCE or Azure credits) that could be useful
        to the project (from John Melton, flagship project lead)</li>
      <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">conducting surveys - We do
        surveys periodically, and I fill them out. Joanna has used them
        to good effect. We might be able to make that more regular and
        get good data on our projects.</li>
      <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">"help wanted" site - We use
        github issues on our project. However, one thing I hear
        repeatedly is project leaders saying they need help, and owasp
        members asking how to help. It seems like we could put up a
        "jobs" board of some kind to connect folks within the community
        for things like this. We could probably connect this to $ in
        some way if we wanted to. I imagine there's a tool out there
        that already does this too. (from John Melton, flagship project
        lead)</li>
      <li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">continue and expand "summer of
        code" programs - I believe these programs add lots of value. Not
        only do they get practical things done on the projects, but they
        give us good visibility, get people involved in the projects
        (many continue to contribute), give us good press in the
        community, and invigorate the mentors as well. (from John
        Melton, flagship project lead)</li>
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      Can you give me a hand with the Strategic Goals around projects to
      make sure we're asking for the right things?<br>
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    <p>Aloha,<br>
      Jim<br>
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    <div>On 12/3/15 6:45 AM, psiinon wrote:<br>
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                                <div>Topic: OWASP (code) projects<br>
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                                I believe that the OWASP code projects
                                are in crisis. Maybe other types as
                                well, but I'll let other more
                                knowledgeable people speak for those.<br>
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                              I think that code projects bring
                              significant benefits to OWASP, but
                              unfortunately they are much less tangible
                              than the money that conferences bring in.<br>
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                            I think that code projects are poorly
                            supported by OWASP, particularly large and
                            active projects like ZAP.<br>
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                          with the current state of affairs re code
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                        If they are unhappy then I would like to know if
                        they think anything should change, particularly
                        with respect to the amount of time and money
                        that is invested in them.<br>
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                      Topic: Communications with employees and
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                    We've just seen a valued and very active contributor
                    leave OWASP, and it appears that the nature of
                    recent email discussions was a major contributing
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                  We've also had a well publicised incident in the past
                  whereby an employee left in which email discussions
                  appear to have also played a significant role.<br>
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                <div>I think its fair to say that in both cases the
                  individuals have expressed that they did not think
                  that they were treated with the respect that they
                  deserved.<br>
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                regarding email discussions getting out of hand?<br>
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              If so, does the board propose to do anything about it?<br>
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            Hint: perhaps an external organisation could provide
            valuable advise and guidance here?<br>
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          <div>I look forward to hearing if these topics are discussed
            at the next board meeting and what the conclusions are, if
            any.<br>
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          <div>Leaders - feel free to chip in with your thoughts...<br>
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