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    I am free at 5:15pm PST. If the meeting is still going on then I
    will join. I am sorry I cannot make the earlier portions of this
    meeting but I will listen to the recording so I'm in sync with these
    important discussions.<br>
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    My big ask for 2016 is to expand the budget for the project summits
    in 2016 to $100,000 for either two 50k summits or one large 100k
    summit. I'll make this change to to the strategic goals doc today.<br>
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    Tom Brennan was also suggesting that we hire developers to help with
    projects as full time staff members or similar. In general, I
    support these efforts 100%.<br>
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    Thanks all,<br>
    - Jim<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/3/15 1:32 PM, Matt Konda wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">I would also support extending the time for the
        meeting.
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        <div>Matt</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Andrew
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            <div dir="ltr">All,
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              <div>I've added this to our meeting. I am willing to put
                in the extra time to have a longer meeting (as it's our
                last chance to deal with urgent and old business in
                2015). I've shrunk the amount of time for the Board
                governance as that should be a no brainer - we should be
                doing Board meetings as per Tom's e-mail earlier today. </div>
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              <div>I have invited Simon and Johanna to the Board
                meeting, and I would like them to speak at the meeting,
                so please make sure there is time for them to be heard. </div>
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              <div>thanks</div>
              <div>Andrew</div>
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                  <div class="h5">On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 3:45 AM,
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                                                  <div>Board,<br>
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                                                  cc the leaders list,<br>
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                                                <div>Topic: OWASP (code)
                                                  projects<br>
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                                                I believe that the OWASP
                                                code projects are in
                                                crisis. Maybe other
                                                types as well, but I'll
                                                let other more
                                                knowledgeable people
                                                speak for those.<br>
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                                              I think that code projects
                                              bring significant benefits
                                              to OWASP, but
                                              unfortunately they are
                                              much less tangible than
                                              the money that conferences
                                              bring in.<br>
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                                            I think that code projects
                                            are poorly supported by
                                            OWASP, particularly large
                                            and active projects like
                                            ZAP.<br>
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                                          I would like to know if the
                                          board is happy with the
                                          current state of affairs re
                                          code projects.<br>
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                                        If they are unhappy then I would
                                        like to know if they think
                                        anything should change,
                                        particularly with respect to the
                                        amount of time and money that is
                                        invested in them.<br>
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                                      Topic: Communications with
                                      employees and contributors<br>
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                                    We've just seen a valued and very
                                    active contributor leave OWASP, and
                                    it appears that the nature of recent
                                    email discussions was a major
                                    contributing factor.<br>
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                                  We've also had a well publicised
                                  incident in the past whereby an
                                  employee left in which email
                                  discussions appear to have also played
                                  a significant role.<br>
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                                <div>I think its fair to say that in
                                  both cases the individuals have
                                  expressed that they did not think that
                                  they were treated with the respect
                                  that they deserved.<br>
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                                Does the board accept that we might have
                                an issue regarding email discussions
                                getting out of hand?<br>
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                              If so, does the board propose to do
                              anything about it?<br>
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                            Hint: perhaps an external organisation could
                            provide valuable advise and guidance here?<br>
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                          <div>I look forward to hearing if these topics
                            are discussed at the next board meeting and
                            what the conclusions are, if any.<br>
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                          <div>Leaders - feel free to chip in with your
                            thoughts...<br>
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                          Cheers,<br>
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