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    I submitted a request to Kate/Claudia/Matt to have this redirected
    to the GitHub site ( <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/OWASP/phpsec">https://github.com/OWASP/phpsec</a> ) which clearly
    shows the project is inactive (and has security flaws) as well as a
    link to the old code tree if folks want to revive it.<br>
    <br>
    - Jim<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/2/15 12:38 PM, Tony Turner wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAFm0_myUF-eP3Zpini5LyYPNwfYPkuiVs9+WW4h0ZdMM5BZ=DQ@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <p dir="ltr">This is still ongoing and needs another look. <a
          moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="https://github.com/OWASP/phpsec/issues/120#issuecomment-161396666"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/OWASP/phpsec/issues/120#issuecomment-161396666">https://github.com/OWASP/phpsec/issues/120#issuecomment-161396666</a></a></p>
      <p dir="ltr">Need the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="http://phpsec.owasp.org">phpsec.owasp.org</a> page
        updated probably. </p>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 26, 2015 3:17 AM, "AF" <<a
          moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:antonio.fontes@owasp.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:antonio.fontes@owasp.org">antonio.fontes@owasp.org</a></a>>
        wrote:<br type="attribution">
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">s/GAMA/GAFA/<br>
            <br>
            Sorry.<br>
            (sent with mobile, please excuse any excessive brevity or
            typo) <br>
            --<br>
            Antonio Fontes<br>
            OWASP Switzerland, board member<br>
            OWASP Geneva, chapter leader<br>
            skype: antonio.fontes<br>
            <br>
            <div class="gmail_quote">On November 26, 2015 8:30:17 AM
              GMT+01:00, AF <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:antonio.fontes@owasp.org" target="_blank">antonio.fontes@owasp.org</a>>
              wrote:
              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt
                0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
                Yes, agree. I'd rather see it flagged than not see it at
                all.<br>
                <br>
                Cheers,<br>
                Antonio<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                PS: We all know that deleting content on user's request
                is nope. GAMA are wonderful teachers ;)<br>
                (sent with mobile, please excuse any excessive brevity
                or typo) <br>
                --<br>
                Antonio Fontes<br>
                OWASP Switzerland, board member<br>
                OWASP Geneva, chapter leader<br>
                skype: antonio.fontes<br>
                <br>
                <div class="gmail_quote">On November 26, 2015 1:20:44 AM
                  GMT+01:00, Jim Manico <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org" target="_blank">jim.manico@owasp.org</a>>
                  wrote:
                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt
                    0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
                    rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> The project is
                    still live and will continue to be.<br>
                    <br>
                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="https://github.com/OWASP/phpsec"
                      target="_blank">https://github.com/OWASP/phpsec</a><br>
                    <br>
                    1) It's been labeled clearly as abandoned, which is
                    fair to say I think (In both GitHub and the Wiki).<br>
                    2) The codebase has been deleted from the main
                    branch<br>
                    3) For anyone who wishes to revive this project, all
                    the code is in the project history<br>
                    <br>
                    I think this is a fair balance of all concerns.<br>
                    <br>
                    Aloha,<br>
                    Jim<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <div>On 11/26/15 1:46 AM, Antonio Fontes wrote:<br>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote type="cite"> Hi, <br>
                      <br>
                      I agree with Abbas on this point. <br>
                      <br>
                      OWASP has a responsibility to warn users when a
                      library project is inactive, unmaintained and/or
                      was identified as broken by experts in the domain
                      (if it really is, disclaimer: I have only read the
                      content posed in the leaders list). <br>
                      <br>
                      However, I don't see a valid rationale behind the
                      decision to suppress it entirely. Users don't get
                      to decide what gets suppressed or not from the
                      web, especially when the content doesn't belong to
                      them, more especially when the argument is "it's
                      not clean", and even more especially when the
                      request for deletion comes from "crypto-experts"
                      (I want to see the badge first). <br>
                      <br>
                      Our mission as OWASP leaders is to lead, not to
                      baby-sit people, who download code marked as
                      unsafe and abandoned, and install it in their
                      organization's systems. <br>
                      <br>
                      If we abide by this rationale, then we should
                      suppress all previous versions of the OWASP guides
                      that are currently available for download as
                      archives. <br>
                      Most of them are incomplete, do not cover the
                      state of the art knowledge we have reached today,
                      and many of them contain advice that is outdated.
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      regards,<br>
                      Antonio<br>
                      <br>
                      <pre cols="72">--
OWASP Geneva Chapter
Contact: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:geneva@owasp.ch" target="_blank">geneva@owasp.ch</a>
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                      <div>On 11/25/2015 8:02 PM, johanna curiel curiel
                        wrote:<br>
                      </div>
                      <blockquote type="cite">
                        <div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:13px">>>All
                            they want is to delete the code entirely,
                            which doesn’t make sense to me at all.</span><br>
                          <div><span style="font-size:13px"><br>
                            </span></div>
                          <div>Abbas their point is, that is not
                            responsible to leave this open if no one is
                            going to document or fix. I don't think is
                            responsible to leave an insecure library.
                            And Ii did take the time to read the issues
                            they mentioned. </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div> You  are the major responsible for your
                            project, not the users that pin pointed the
                            issues nor they should go and change when
                            they have the opinion that the entire
                            library does not serve the purpose.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>For people who wants to see whole thread
                            can judge by themselves</div>
                          <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="https://github.com/OWASP/phpsec/issues/108#issuecomment-159699690"
                              target="_blank">https://github.com/OWASP/phpsec/issues/108#issuecomment-159699690</a><br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>I even defend you as volunteer but I have
                            the opinion that we have a responsibility
                            towards users especially if you have not
                            worked in this project for more than a year
                            and have no time to fix issues in a security
                            library.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Even Sven who was a contributor in this
                            project accepted that this library does not
                            achieve its purpose and should not be
                            available to users, is just not responsible.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Sometimes we need to kill our darlings...</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Btw I'm just a contributor as you are.</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Regards</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Johanna</div>
                        </div>
                        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                          <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 25, 2015
                            at 2:47 PM, Abbas Naderi <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:abiusx@owasp.org"
                                target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:abiusx@owasp.org">abiusx@owasp.org</a></a>></span>
                            wrote:<br>
                            <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                              style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
                              #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                              <div style="word-wrap:break-word">I’m
                                perfectly fine with criticising and
                                QAing projects.
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>What I’m not fine with, is reading
                                  some blogs or posts somewhere, without
                                  verifying their validity, and then
                                  putting the blame on our contributors
                                  without proper investigation.</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>This is not how we defend and
                                  motivate our community. </div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Plus, the only solution for a
                                  “broken library” is either to fix it,
                                  or to announce it as broken. These
                                  gentlemen insisting on removing the
                                  library sounds like trolling to me.
                                  They even refuse to add a README file
                                  to the Github repo which clearly
                                  states that </div>
                                <div>this project is inactive and
                                  insecure. All they want is to delete
                                  the code entirely, which doesn’t make
                                  sense to me at all.</div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>I’m unhappy with your post, because
                                  you say “they have valid points”
                                  without properly investgating. They
                                  think they didn’t make progress by
                                  trolling on Github, and now are using
                                  you to reflect this issue on the
                                  leaders list. You could’ve contacted
                                  me first and asked about this before
                                  going public with it. I’m very unhappy
                                  with the process you have taken for
                                  this, undermining a contributor
                                  completely. </div>
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Regards</div>
                                <span><font color="#888888"> </font>
                                  <div><font color="#888888">-Abbas</font></div>
                                </span>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div><br>
                                      <div>
                                        <blockquote type="cite">
                                          <div>On Nov 25, 2015, at 1:44
                                            PM, johanna curiel curiel
                                            <<a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:johanna.curiel@owasp.org"
                                              target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:johanna.curiel@owasp.org">johanna.curiel@owasp.org</a></a>>


                                            wrote:</div>
                                          <br>
                                          <div>
                                            <div dir="ltr">>>If
                                              you’d want to keep your
                                              “users” happy and your
                                              “contributors” unhappy,
                                              you should think of a
                                              commercial organisation instead
                                              of an open one.<br>
                                              <div><span
                                                  style="font-size:13px"><br>
                                                </span></div>
                                              <div>I think this is a
                                                very difficult balance
                                                to do. I understand from
                                                your pov as contributor
                                                but fact is, OWASP has
                                                also a reputation of
                                                being 'secure' so
                                                probably the
                                                expectations are higher
                                                because we preach
                                                security. </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Look ,I volunteer too
                                                but my proposals get
                                                questioned and
                                                criticised  in a way
                                                that it feels to me
                                                 like I've been
                                                questioned as an
                                                employee and not a
                                                volunteer, but in a
                                                certain way, if you look
                                                deeply, people
                                                questioning my proposals
                                                wants to achieve goals
                                                that are aligned with
                                                OWASP mission. And that
                                                means I have to work
                                                harder to present my
                                                arguments. Not because
                                                the effort is
                                                'volunteered' means it
                                                does not hold certain
                                                responsabilities.</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Let  me ask you: Has
                                                this project ever been
                                                tested to verify how
                                                well it works or not?
                                                Most projects at OWASP
                                                does not have any form
                                                of QA. Security
                                                libraries hold more
                                                responsibility in this
                                                case.</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>This is a security
                                                library and if it
                                                contains security issues
                                                then this is a problem.
                                                This does not align with
                                                the mission, even if a
                                                lot of work was put to
                                                create this project.</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>I don't think they
                                                are trolling you. They
                                                have valid points and
                                                their complain is that
                                                it is not responsible to
                                                leave this library to be
                                                used if it holds these
                                                issues or are not
                                                properly explained. And
                                                is not only the crypto
                                                issue.</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Regards</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Johanna</div>
                                            </div>
                                            <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                              <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at
                                                2:28 PM, Abbas Naderi <span
                                                  dir="ltr"><<a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:abiusx@owasp.org" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:abiusx@owasp.org">abiusx@owasp.org</a></a>></span>
                                                wrote:<br>
                                                <blockquote
                                                  class="gmail_quote"
                                                  style="margin:0 0 0
                                                  .8ex;border-left:1px
                                                  #ccc
                                                  solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                  <div
                                                    style="word-wrap:break-word">I
                                                    agree with all of
                                                    that.
                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>This is an open
                                                      source project. If
                                                      they find issues,
                                                      specially tiny
                                                      issues that can be
                                                      fixed with a few
                                                      lines of code,</div>
                                                    <div>they are
                                                      welcome to do so.
                                                      That is not
                                                      grounds for
                                                      deleting a
                                                      project.</div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>The way I see
                                                      it, is that they
                                                      are trolling, and
                                                      not helping. I
                                                      have not created
                                                      this library, and
                                                      I’m only defending
                                                      it because it is
                                                      the right thing to
                                                      do.</div>
                                                    <div>If you’d want
                                                      to keep your
                                                      “users” happy and
                                                      your
                                                      “contributors”
                                                      unhappy, you
                                                      should think of a
                                                      commercial
                                                      organization
                                                      instead of an open
                                                      one.</div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>Regards</div>
                                                    <span><font
                                                        color="#888888">
                                                      </font>
                                                      <div><font
                                                          color="#888888">-Abbas</font></div>
                                                    </span>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div><br>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite">
                                                          <div>On Nov
                                                          25, 2015, at
                                                          1:25 PM,
                                                          johanna curiel
                                                          curiel <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:johanna.curiel@owasp.org"
                                                          target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:johanna.curiel@owasp.org">johanna.curiel@owasp.org</a></a>>


                                                          wrote:</div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">Abbas

                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>I think
                                                          they made very
                                                          strong points
                                                          and the
                                                          project is
                                                          right now
                                                          inactive since
                                                          it has not
                                                          been updated
                                                          in more than a
                                                          year.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>The
                                                          people
                                                          commenting on
                                                          your project
                                                          have
                                                          themselves
                                                          quite
                                                          reputation
                                                          too.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>I think
                                                          if these
                                                          issues cannot
                                                          be fixed by
                                                          you since you
                                                          are the leader
                                                          and since the
                                                          project is
                                                          inactive, the
                                                          best is to
                                                          warn users.</div>
                                                          <div>Sven who
                                                          was a
                                                          contributor
                                                          also
                                                          acknowledge
                                                          the issues.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>By the
                                                          way , from
                                                          complains of
                                                          multiple PHP
                                                          developers in
                                                          the github
                                                          page of the
                                                          project to now
                                                          twitter means
                                                          they are not
                                                          happy and they
                                                          are trying to
                                                          escalate their
                                                          concerns.Thats
                                                          how I see
                                                          this.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>regards</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Johanna</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On


                                                          Wed, Nov 25,
                                                          2015 at 2:20
                                                          PM, Abbas
                                                          Naderi <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:abiusx@owasp.org" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:abiusx@owasp.org">abiusx@owasp.org</a></a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote
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                                                          style="margin:0
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                                                          <div
                                                          style="word-wrap:break-word">They


                                                          are trying to
                                                          troll the
                                                          project.
                                                          <div>Read the
                                                          thread at <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/OWASP/phpsec/issues/108#issuecomment-159676446"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/OWASP/phpsec/issues/108#issuecomment-159676446">https://github.com/OWASP/phpsec/issues/108#issuecomment-159676446</a></a> to


                                                          realize that.</div>
                                                          <div>We have
                                                          provided ample
                                                          opportunity
                                                          for them to
                                                          contribute,
                                                          fix, or help
                                                          the project.</div>
                                                          <div>All they
                                                          want is to
                                                          take the
                                                          project down,
                                                          which I
                                                          obviously
                                                          refuse.</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>I don’t
                                                          think it
                                                          really hurts
                                                          OWASP
                                                          reputation. If
                                                          anyone delves
                                                          into the
                                                          technical
                                                          discussions
                                                          that would be
                                                          apparent.</div>
                                                          <div>Regards</div>
                                                          <span><font
                                                          color="#888888">
                                                          </font>
                                                          <div><font
                                                          color="#888888">-Abbas</font></div>
                                                          </span>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite">
                                                          <div>On Nov
                                                          25, 2015, at
                                                          1:17 PM,
                                                          johanna curiel
                                                          curiel <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:johanna.curiel@owasp.org"
                                                          target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:johanna.curiel@owasp.org">johanna.curiel@owasp.org</a></a>>


                                                          wrote:</div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">Hi


                                                          Erlend
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>We are
                                                          aware of the
                                                          issues and
                                                          remediation is
                                                          underway ;-)</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>regards</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Johanna</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On


                                                          Wed, Nov 25,
                                                          2015 at 1:54
                                                          PM, Jim Manico
                                                          <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
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                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          Yup, it's bad.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Johanna Curiel
                                                          and Claudia
                                                          are leading
                                                          the charge
                                                          here. They are
                                                          in the process
                                                          of fully
                                                          removing the
                                                          project from
                                                          GitHub. As in,
                                                          right now…<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          - Jim
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>On
                                                          11/25/15 7:50
                                                          PM, <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:erlend.oftedal@owasp.org" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:erlend.oftedal@owasp.org">erlend.oftedal@owasp.org</a></a>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
                                                          style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Hi<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          See <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://twitter.com/voodooKobra/status/669537889500311553"
                                                          target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://twitter.com/voodooKobra/status/669537889500311553">https://twitter.com/voodooKobra/status/669537889500311553</a></a>
                                                          and the link
                                                          in that
                                                          message. <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          According to
                                                          the OWASP
                                                          website the
                                                          project is
                                                          inactive, yet
                                                          contributions
                                                          are made on
                                                          github, and
                                                          there are no
                                                          signs of the
                                                          project status
                                                          on github.<br>
                                                          The crypto
                                                          code is bad,
                                                          as voodooKobra
                                                          rightly points
                                                          out. With a
                                                          known key and
                                                          iv, this
                                                          encryption is
                                                          useless.<br>
                                                          And the code
                                                          is referenced
                                                          from
                                                          stackoverflow++.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          When
                                                          deactivating a
                                                          project we
                                                          need to make
                                                          sure the
                                                          deactivation
                                                          is clearly
                                                          visble on
                                                          github as
                                                          well.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Best regards<br>
                                                          Erlend Oftedal<br>
                                                          OWASP Norway<br>
                                                          @webtonull</div>
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