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    Tony,<br>
    <br>
    For you as a chapter leader to understand this dynamic speaks
    volumes about your commitment to the foundation and community. Thank
    you for this perspective. And please consider running for the board
    next year...<br>
    <br>
    Aloha,<br>
    Jim<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/7/15 8:45 AM, Tony Turner wrote:<br>
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      <p dir="ltr">If you aren't spending money, why do you need it?
        It's not yours, it's the Foundations allocated for your chapter
        or project usage. If funds are not needed they should be
        reallocated. Create a multi-year budget if you need to. Submit
        additional budget requests if you identify additional needs
        later. This concept of money ownership is not conducive to the
        overall goals of OWASP. We have a singular mission, executed in
        many different ways by many different people but at the end of
        it all, there's no reason for anyone to feel they need to stake
        a claim on "their" funds. If your objectives at the chapter or
        project level are being met, why does it matter how much is
        sitting in your "account"?</p>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 7, 2015 9:27 AM, "Azzeddine
        Ramrami" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="mailto:azzeddine.ramrami@owasp.org">azzeddine.ramrami@owasp.org</a>>
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                  <div>Hi Jim, Hi Josh,<br>
                    <br>
                    Thanks for the proposal Josh and Jim. Very good
                    initiative.<br>
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                  I agree with all points except this one (I joind
                  Richard):<br>
                  <br>
                  "<span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.4px">Budgeted

                    money that wasn’t spent during the calendar year
                    would be returned back to the OWASP Foundation
                    general funds."<br>
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                <span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.4px">Chapter's
                  budget are very critical for meeting, events and more.
                  <br>
                  <br>
                </span><br>
                <span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.4px">Why?
                  It is really difficult to collect found (for my
                  Chapter it is impossible now) and for my project (<span
                    title="Safeguard, Coastguard, Disregard, Scrogged,
                    Scorecard, Corrugate, Crawford">CSRFGuard)</span> I
                  received a thousand of support request without any
                  donation or help.<br>
                  <br>
                </span></div>
              <span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.4px">Thanks.<br>
              </span></div>
            <span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.4px">Azzeddine<br>
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                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 9:23
                      AM, Jim Manico <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                      wrote:<br>
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                        <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Richard,
                          if you remove that one aspect of the proposal,
                          what do you think about the other 9 points?<br>
                          <br>
                          - Jim<br>
                          <br>
                          <div>On 9/30/15 8:40 PM, Richard Greenberg
                            wrote:<br>
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                            <div dir="ltr">Thanks for the proposal Josh
                              and Jim. Sadly, I cannot support this. "<span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.4px">Budgeted

                                money that wasn’t spent during the
                                calendar year would be returned back to
                                the OWASP Foundation general funds." No,
                                that will not work. Our chapter meeting
                                attendance shot up to 80-120 once we
                                started providing a catered dinner, paid
                                for by vendor support and our yearly
                                conference. We loose our money to the
                                Foundation, and we are moving month to
                                month without any backup funding. This
                                is no way to run a chapter. We have
                                reserves for the months we cannot get a
                                sponsor. </span>
                              <div><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.4px"><br>
                                </span></div>
                              <div><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.4px">Please

                                  do not lecture me about attendees
                                  should want to attend even if we don't
                                  provide food. That is a bad statement.
                                  We want attendees, and if have to
                                  entice them, so be it. Getting the
                                  word out about secure development
                                  trumps any philosophical differences
                                  anyone may have.</span></div>
                              <div><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.4px"><br>
                                </span></div>
                              <div><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.4px">Basically,

                                  in an attempt to manage the finances,
                                  you risk alienating the very essence
                                  of who OWASP is: the Chapters.
                                  Chapters need control of their own
                                  budgets. We do all the heavy lifting
                                  to generate our own income. We deserve
                                  to manage it. </span></div>
                              <div><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.4px"><br>
                                </span></div>
                              <div><span
style="color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px;line-height:22.4px">You

                                  want to see a budget? That is
                                  reasonable. You threaten to take away
                                  our money? Absolutely the wrong
                                  approach. Terrible proposal!!</span></div>
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                                      <div dir="ltr">Richard Greenberg,
                                        CISSP<br>
                                        President, OWASP Los Angeles, <a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="http://www.owaspla.org"
                                          target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.owaspla.org">www.owaspla.org</a></a>
                                        <div>ISSA Fellow<br>
                                          VP, ISSA Los Angeles, <a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="http://www.appsecusa.org/"
                                            rel="noreferrer"
                                            target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.issa-la.org">www.issa-la.org</a></a><br>
                                          LinkedIn:  <a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardagreenberg"
                                            target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardagreenberg">http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardagreenberg</a></a><br>
                                          <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%28424%29%20261-8111" value="+14242618111" target="_blank">(424)
                                              261-8111</a></div>
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                                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep
                                    29, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Jim Manico <span
                                      dir="ltr"><<a
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                                        target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org">jim.manico@owasp.org</a></a>></span>
                                    wrote:<br>
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                                      all,<br>
                                      <br>
                                      If you have a moment, please take
                                      a look at the funding proposal
                                      below. The board is going to vote
                                      on this soon. I'd be grateful if
                                      you had time to review and provide
                                      comments.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Cheers,<br>
                                      <br>
                                      -- <br>
                                      Jim Manico<br>
                                      Global Board Member<br>
                                      OWASP Foundation<br>
                                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="https://www.owasp.org"
                                        rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org</a><br>
                                      Join me at AppSecUSA 2015!<br>
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                                      <br>
                                      On 9/25/15 10:20 PM, Jim Manico
                                      wrote:<br>
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                                        OWASP Community,<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Josh Sokol proposed a major
                                        funding initiative for projects
                                        and chapters at the OWASP global
                                        board meeting earlier today.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Proposal_for_2015-09-25_OWASP_Board_Meeting"
                                          rel="noreferrer"
                                          target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Proposal_for_2015-09-25_OWASP_Board_Meeting</a>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                        I personally think this is an
                                        excellent proposal and would
                                        like to call for a board vote
                                        early next week so our staff can
                                        prep for this for 2016.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        In the spirit of transparency
                                        and even more important -
                                        getting valuable feedback from
                                        the community - we are
                                        publishing this proposal to the
                                        community at large.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Please read this carefully and
                                        let us know what you think <a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Proposal_for_2015-09-25_OWASP_Board_Meeting"
                                          rel="noreferrer"
                                          target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Proposal_for_2015-09-25_OWASP_Board_Meeting">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Proposal_for_2015-09-25_OWASP_Board_Meeting</a></a><br>
                                        <br>
                                        Aloha,<br>
                                        <br>
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OWASP Foundation
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                        <div>Azzeddine RAMRAMI<br>
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="tel:%2B33%206%2065%2048%2090%2004"
                            value="+33665489004" target="_blank">+33 6
                            65 48 90 04</a>.<br>
                          Enterprise Security Architect<br>
                          OWASP Leader (Morocco Chapter)<br>
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                        Mozilla Security Projects Mentor<br>
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Global Board Member
OWASP Foundation
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