<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>As someone who created a new OWASP project rather than contribute to the established one, I completely agree with that :)<br></div>I also like the idea of announcing new project ideas to solicit feedback from the community.<br>
<br></div>Cheers,<br><br></div>Simon<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 10:48 PM, Tobias <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tobias.gondrom@owasp.org" target="_blank">tobias.gondrom@owasp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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    <div>Hm, <br>
      <br>
      it is always good to check whether there is already a project that
      does the same thing. <br>
      And coordination has a lot of benefits. <br>
      <br>
      However, having said that, there is also a strength in competition
      and freedom through forking in open source as well. E.g. if
      another project lead is letting his project go inactive or
      following a different flavour that you think is not the best
      solution, it is a viable approach to "fork" and start a new
      project with a new crew instead of e.g. trying to twist an
      existing project team or revive a zombie under an inactive project
      lead. Sometimes a little competition can do wonders. Allowing the
      "may the best idea win" strategy. <br>
      <br>
      Personally, I would not want to limit any project team in its
      choice. However, it would make sense to make sure that people are
      aware of what is out there and whether it is still truly active.
      Otherwise you may face that problem by accident. Our 160 projects
      is a huge number to go through just to find out whether what you
      want to do already has a team working on it and whether it is
      really active. We could try to make this easier with an uptodate
      project inventory with some kind of current status data. <br>
      <br>
      Btw. one approach for that, would be to post new project ideas to
      the community list and invite project contributors from the wider
      community to join the team. And hopefully people could join the
      cause, shape the project plan together and also share information
      about what is already out there. <br>
      <br>
      Just my 2cents. <br><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
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      Tobias</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
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      On 26/08/14 17:42, johanna curiel curiel wrote:<br>
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      <font><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Helping
          to extend an existing project is often much easier and more
          useful than starting a completely new one...</span></font>
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          </span></font></div>
      <div><font><span>Yes, we need to unify forces serving the
            same purpose, it makes it easier for everyone.</span></font></div>
      <div><font><span>We need to review carefully the
            submission of new projects so we can guide new potential
            project leaders into exisiting projects and they should take
            the time to verify if they revive an inactive one, join
            forces with existing one or starting a new one, especially
            document projects seem to suffer more of this issue(many
            treating the same subject almost identically) than tools or
            code projects</span></font></div>
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      <div><font><span>Regards</span></font></div>
      <div><font><span><br>
          </span></font></div>
      <div><font><span>Johanna</span></font></div>
      <div><font><span><br>
          </span></font>On Tuesday, August 26, 2014, psiinon <<a href="mailto:psiinon@gmail.com" target="_blank">psiinon@gmail.com</a>>
        wrote:<br>
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                  <div>I'm in favor of this as well.<br>
                    <br>
                  </div>
                  A slightly related point - in this industry we do seem
                  to suffer a lot from NIH (Not Invented Here, for non
                  native English speakers).<br>
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                When someone proposes a new project can we ask them to
                check that there isnt already a related OWASP project?<br>
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              Helping to extend an existing project is often much easier
              and more useful than starting a completely new one...<br>
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            Cheers,<br>
            <br>
            Simon<br>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 8:07 AM,
              Munir Njiru <span dir="ltr"><<a>munir.njiru@owasp.org</a>></span>
              wrote:<br>
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                <div dir="ltr">I totally agree with that idea<br>
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                        On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 8:30 PM, johanna curiel
                        curiel <span dir="ltr"><<a>johanna.curiel@owasp.org</a>></span>
                        wrote:<br>
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                          <div dir="ltr">Leaders
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                            </div>
                            <div>After reviewing the entire list of code
                              and tool projects , from incubator to labs
                              and flagship I have observed a main issue:
                              Many projects start without a single line
                              of code, a binary or executable version of
                              a program.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>This really creates an 'empty' list of
                              projects(more than 50 projects were empty)
                              that never launched or released a single
                              line of code.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>At OWASP we don't have an army of
                              volunteers or paid staff to keep up
                              monitoring and maintain this, therefore
                              I'm proposing a new guideline to solve
                              this issue. Anyone who wishes to start a
                              project(tool/code) must have at least:</div>
                            <div>-An open source repository</div>
                            <div>-At least some code written</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>The bar is low to allow development,
                              but I think that any code/tool project
                              must have at least this in order to be
                              consider incubator.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Let me know your thoughts and we can
                              add this to the guidelines</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Regards</div>
                            <span><font color="#888888">
                                <div><br>
                                </div>
                                <div>Johanna</div>
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