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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Yvan, hi guys, <br>
      <br>
      I think, this is now getting operational detail questions, so IMHO
      no need to cc 200+ people from the "leaders-list" on the details.
      Please take it off-list for the detail discussion. (I leave it on
      cc one last time that it is clear to everyone, we are working out
      the details with our ops team directly, off-list now.) <br>
      <br>
      Thanks and cheers, Tobias<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 25/03/14 21:53, Jim Manico wrote:<br>
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      From Kickstarters Terms of Use page....  it looks like staff
      should set up the account under an OWASP account and then add you
      to the project.<br>
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          text-decoration: none;">I’m launching a project with a group
          of people or a company. Who should complete the identity
          verification process?</a></h4>
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          font-size: 16px; vertical-align: baseline;">Regardless of
          whether the project creator is one person or an entire
          company, the identity verification process has to be completed
          by a single person. If you are running your project as a legal
          entity, such as a registered company or organization, a person
          associated with this entity who meets our<span
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            requirements</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>must
          verify their identity as the entity’s representative.<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/25/14, 6:16 PM, Yvan Boily
        wrote:<br>
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            <div>Hi Tobias, all,<br>
              <br>
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            This is one of the reasons I felt the need to be clear!  I
            haven't run a campaign under any tools under than
            Kickstarter, and they don't have any capabilities around
            multi-user accounts.  I could not surrender the credentials
            for my Kickstarter account as they are associated with
            another non-profit that I work with, but I will check their
            ToS about having multiple accounts.  I will also check the
            capabilities of other platforms as Kickstarter can be quite
            restrictive about what they support in terms of fundraising
            projects.  I would prefer the fundraiser/funds to be sent to
            an OWASP account for tax liability reasons.<br>
            <br>
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          <div>I think the best approach would be to have a call to
            discuss the details that are blockers.  If you would like to
            participate in this discussion please add your name here - <a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://doodle.com/5pvna9khph5vvns4">http://doodle.com/5pvna9khph5vvns4</a>
            (and send me your email address or a message that you want
            to participate so I can send you the meeting link)<br>
            <br>
            Cheers,<br>
            Yvan<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 11:05 PM,
            Tobias <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:tobias.gondrom@owasp.org" target="_blank">tobias.gondrom@owasp.org</a>></span>
            wrote:<br>
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                <div>Hi all, <br>
                  <br>
                  I agree with Jim, in that this is a good idea. <br>
                  <br>
                  To some degree it is operational, so I would suggest
                  that you just talk directly with Sarah and maybe our
                  new community manager to make this happen (feel free
                  to cc Jim and myself or the board-list). <br>
                  For long term stability and consistent accounting of
                  our funds, the account should be managed by our ops
                  team. Maybe you can help them how to set up the
                  account. <br>
                  <br>
                  Cheers, Tobias
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                      <br>
                      <br>
                      On 25/03/14 14:29, Jim Manico wrote:<br>
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                    <blockquote type="cite"> Yvan,<br>
                      <br>
                      Of course please use our brand guidelines <a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Marketing/Resources#tab=BRAND_GUIDELINES"
                        target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Marketing/Resources#tab=BRAND_GUIDELINES</a>
                      and kick start this funding idea. Raising funds
                      for our non profit foundation is something we need
                      to support and encourage. When you set up a
                      kickstarter or similar campaign, can you give the
                      credentials to Sarah Baso and/or work with her to
                      ensure the funds to directly to the foundation? <br>
                      <br>
                      I might be smacked a bit for jumping the gun here,
                      but that is ok. It's my duty as a board member to
                      support raising funds for the foundation, so
                      please charge ahead and I'll take responsibility
                      for any flack for moving fast on this.<br>
                      <br>
                      Aloha,<br>
                      Jim<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      <div>On 3/25/14, 10:49 AM, Yvan Boily wrote:<br>
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                              <div>To be clear, the reason I keep asking
                                permission instead of just moving
                                forward is for one reason - <br>
                                <br>
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                              Running a kickstarter for the OWASP
                              community (or anyone else who
                              participates) means collecting funds.  I
                              am happy to provide a complete accounting
                              of the funds collected, and donate any
                              extra funds collected to OWASP, but I want
                              this activity blessed by the OWASP Board
                              or whoever the right folks involved are
                              before proceeding.<br>
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                            Cheers,<br>
                            Yvan<br>
                            <br>
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                          ps - irrational exuberance is the reason I do
                          community stuff... a career in infosec has
                          made me somewhat cynical, doing awesome
                          community stuff ameliorates that ;)<br>
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                          <br>
                          <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 24, 2014
                            at 10:12 PM, Jim Manico <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:jim.manico@owasp.org"
                                target="_blank">jim.manico@owasp.org</a>></span>
                            wrote:<br>
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                                Yvan,<br>
                                <br>
                                For certain you are way too excited to
                                get a copy. Greenspan talked about this
                                as a form of "irrational exuberance". 
                                ;)<br>
                                <br>
                                By the same token, I think a
                                crowdfunding campaign is a fantastic
                                idea. I say go for it. This might be a
                                great way to fund future endeavors. If
                                you need any help reviewing the campaign
                                copy before you go live, just give me a
                                shout.<br>
                                <br>
                                Awesome + Aloha,<br>
                                Jim
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                                            <div>I requested some a copy
                                              of the Cornucopia
                                              materials from blackfoot.<br>
                                              <br>
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                                            I am happy to coordinate a
                                            print run of the cards, but
                                            in order to dramatically
                                            simplify things I would
                                            prefer to run an
                                            crowdfunding campaign to get
                                            a pile of them mass
                                            produced.  Basically the
                                            goal would be to get an
                                            estimate on the production
                                            run, coordinate with
                                            (Sam|Kate|Colin|?!?) to get
                                            some nice OWASP branded
                                            packaging (I haven't seen
                                            the controversial (?)
                                            packaging mentioned in other
                                            threads).<br>
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                                          If there is media (videos of
                                          folks playing, copy about the
                                          game, etc) that would also be
                                          helpful.  The great thing
                                          about running something like
                                          this through kickstarter is
                                          that you can allow people to
                                          order them at unit cost, or to
                                          pay more to support this or
                                          other OWASP projects.  <br>
                                          <br>
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                                        I also think this is a better
                                        way to allow community members
                                        (including myself) to vote with
                                        their wallets rather than
                                        spending sparse project funds to
                                        get something produced.  Any
                                        objections?  Am I putting the
                                        cart before the horse here? 
                                        Maybe I am just a little too
                                        excited to get a copy? <br>
                                        <br>
                                        :)<br>
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                                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon,
                                          Mar 24, 2014 at 9:43 PM,
                                          Samantha Groves <span
                                            dir="ltr"><<a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:samantha.groves@owasp.org"
                                              target="_blank">samantha.groves@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                          wrote:<br>
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                                            <div dir="ltr">Sorry, rules
                                              of engagement can be found
                                              here: <a
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                                                href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Funding"
                                                target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Funding</a></div>
                                            <div>
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                                                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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                                                  <div
                                                    class="gmail_quote">On

                                                    Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at
                                                    9:42 PM, Samantha
                                                    Groves <span
                                                      dir="ltr"><<a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:samantha.groves@owasp.org" target="_blank">samantha.groves@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                                    wrote:<br>
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                                                      <div dir="ltr">We
                                                        have about <span
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                                                          available for
                                                          project
                                                          development: </span><font
color="#000000" face="sans-serif"><span
                                                          style="line-height:19.19999885559082px"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Community_Engagement_-_Payments"
target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Community_Engagement_-_Payments</a></span></font>
                                                        <div> <font
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face="sans-serif"><span style="line-height:19.19999885559082px"><br>
                                                          </span></font></div>
                                                        <div><font
                                                          color="#000000"
face="sans-serif"><span style="line-height:19.19999885559082px">I just
                                                          need to update
                                                          this page with
                                                          what has
                                                          already been
                                                          spent. </span></font></div>
                                                        <div><font
                                                          color="#000000"
face="sans-serif"><span style="line-height:19.19999885559082px"><br>
                                                          </span></font></div>
                                                        <div><font
                                                          color="#000000"
face="sans-serif"><span style="line-height:19.19999885559082px">In
                                                          regard to
                                                          ordering the
                                                          books... what
                                                          are these for?
                                                          I ask because
                                                          there might be
                                                          another budget
                                                          this expense
                                                          will come from
                                                          if they fall
                                                          under another
                                                          category. </span></font></div>
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                                                          color="#000000"
face="sans-serif"><span style="line-height:19.19999885559082px"><br>
                                                          </span></font></div>
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                                                          class="gmail_quote">On


                                                          Mon, Mar 24,
                                                          2014 at 4:55
                                                          PM, Dinis Cruz
                                                          <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dinis.cruz@owasp.org"
                                                          target="_blank">dinis.cruz@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <p dir="ltr">Cool

                                                          how much is it
                                                          and what are
                                                          the rules of
                                                          engagement?</p>
                                                          <p dir="ltr">Can

                                                          I start by
                                                          ordering 10x
                                                          copies of
                                                          OpenSAMM and
                                                          10x copies of
                                                          latest top 10?</p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On



                                                          24 Mar 2014
                                                          14:55,
                                                          "Samantha
                                                          Groves" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:samantha.groves@owasp.org"
                                                          target="_blank">samantha.groves@owasp.org</a>>




                                                          wrote:<br
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">Just



                                                          an FYI...
                                                          There is a
                                                          project fund
                                                          bucket that
                                                          was given to
                                                          us this year.
                                                          It is not
                                                          much, but it
                                                          is a start.
                                                          The question
                                                          now is... What
                                                          do you want to
                                                          do with it? </div>
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                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On




                                                          Thu, Mar 20,
                                                          2014 at 10:38
                                                          AM, Yvan Boily
                                                          <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:yvanboily@gmail.com" target="_blank">yvanboily@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>I fully
                                                          support using
                                                          chapter funds
                                                          to produce
                                                          materials for
                                                          OWASP
                                                          chapters,
                                                          chapter leads,
                                                          and to support
                                                          projects and
                                                          stuff.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          What I am
                                                          looking for
                                                          here is to
                                                          find a way to
                                                          fund the
                                                          production of
                                                          OWASP branded
                                                          materials for
                                                          non-OWASP
                                                          stuff, for
                                                          example if I
                                                          want a case of
                                                          OWASP cheat
                                                          sheets that
                                                          are
                                                          professionally
                                                          produced so I
                                                          can have our
                                                          HR team
                                                          include them
                                                          in the new
                                                          hire kit for
                                                          every new dev
                                                          my employer
                                                          hires, OWASP
                                                          shouldn't foot
                                                          the bill for
                                                          that :) 
                                                          (something
                                                          like this - <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Introduction-Reference-Instructions-Shortcuts/dp/1936220156/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1395336990&sr=8-14&keywords=cheat+sheet"
target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Introduction-Reference-Instructions-Shortcuts/dp/1936220156/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1395336990&sr=8-14&keywords=cheat+sheet</a>
                                                          as opposed to
                                                          a simple sheet
                                                          of paper).<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          I guess maybe
                                                          I am looking
                                                          for a way to
                                                          vote with my
                                                          wallet for
                                                          stuff that
                                                          might
                                                          eventually be
                                                          available as a
                                                          general order
                                                          product (which
                                                          I suspect will
                                                          raise hackles,
                                                          but hey, if
                                                          OWASP doesn't
                                                          do it, someone
                                                          else will, and
                                                          pocket the
                                                          money instead
                                                          of investing
                                                          it in
                                                          community
                                                          projects).<br>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
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                                                          <br>
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                                                          Thu, Mar 20,
                                                          2014 at 7:07
                                                          AM, Dinis Cruz
                                                          <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dinis.cruz@owasp.org"
                                                          target="_blank">dinis.cruz@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">I
                                                          think having
                                                          those
                                                          professional
                                                          materials are
                                                          super
                                                          important for
                                                          OWASP and I
                                                          also tend to
                                                          have the <span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">OpenSAMM




                                                          printed book
                                                          at hand since
                                                          it one of most
                                                          professional
                                                          ones we have
                                                          :)</span>
                                                          <div> <font
                                                          face="arial,
                                                          sans-serif"><br>
                                                          </font></div>
                                                          <div><font
                                                          face="arial,
                                                          sans-serif">So
                                                          yes, Yvan you
                                                          are spot on
                                                          (from my point
                                                          of view) on
                                                          your analysis
                                                          and OWASP
                                                          should be
                                                          helping to pay
                                                          for those
                                                          materials
                                                          (specially
                                                          since they are
                                                          an investment
                                                          into the OWASP
                                                          brand, and who
                                                          knows how many
                                                          new members
                                                          and conference
                                                          attendees we
                                                          would get from
the recipients of
those materials)<br>
                                                          </font>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><br>
                                                          </span></div>
                                                          <div><font
                                                          face="arial,
                                                          sans-serif">My
                                                          view is that
                                                          we should be
                                                          using some of
                                                          the OWASP
                                                          funds
                                                          (currently
                                                          available) to
                                                          pay for this
                                                          type of
                                                          materials (so
                                                          that our
                                                          leaders can
                                                          distribute
                                                          it). I'm still
                                                          waiting for
                                                          the idea of '<b><i>OWASP




                                                          Projects Funds
                                                          bucket</i></b>'
                                                          or '<b><i>OWASP




                                                          Chapters Funds
                                                          bucket'</i></b>
                                                          so that us
                                                          (the OWASP
                                                          leaders) can
                                                          'just get on
                                                          with it' and
                                                          distribute the
                                                          great stuff
                                                          that is
                                                          created at
                                                          OWASP.</font></div>
                                                          <div><font
                                                          face="arial,
                                                          sans-serif"><br>
                                                          </font></div>
                                                          <div><font
                                                          face="arial,
                                                          sans-serif">Basically




                                                          Yvan should be
                                                          able to
                                                          quickly order
                                                          the materials
                                                          he mentions
                                                          below (all
                                                          from a global
                                                          fund that is
                                                          available to
                                                          all OWASP
                                                          leaders).</font></div>
                                                          <div><font
                                                          face="arial,
                                                          sans-serif"><br>
                                                          </font></div>
                                                          <div><font
                                                          face="arial,
                                                          sans-serif">That




                                                          is what I
                                                          tried to do
                                                          with the <a
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href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_GSD_Project" target="_blank">OWASP




                                                          GSD project</a>,and




                                                          as you can see
                                                          on <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_GSD_Project" target="_blank">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_GSD_Project</a>
                                                          that money has
                                                          been put to
                                                          good use (</font><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Yvan </span><font face="arial,
                                                          sans-serif">I
                                                          think there is
                                                          still some in
                                                          there, so feel
                                                          free to use
                                                          it). </font></div>
                                                          <div><font
                                                          face="arial,
                                                          sans-serif"><br>
                                                          </font></div>
                                                          <div><font
                                                          face="arial,
                                                          sans-serif">BTW..




                                                          and if we
                                                          can't get the
                                                          '</font><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">OWASP Projects Funds bucket'</span><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> setup in the next months, <b><i>what




                                                          about topping
                                                          up the GSD
                                                          projects fund?</i></b></span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br>
                                                          </span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Dinis</span></div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
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                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div> On 20
                                                          March 2014
                                                          12:22, Yvan
                                                          Boily <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:yvanboily@gmail.com" target="_blank">yvanboily@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>Hi
                                                          Leaders,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          After seeing
                                                          Jim's post
                                                          about
                                                          Cornucopia and
                                                          buying a
                                                          couple of
                                                          copies of the
                                                          nicely
                                                          produced
                                                          OpenSAMM
                                                          documents at
                                                          AppSecEU last
                                                          year, I was
                                                          about to post
                                                          a response,
                                                          but I realized
                                                          that I had a
                                                          bigger
                                                          question.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>For
                                                          BSidesVancouver
                                                          this year we
                                                          used
                                                          crowd-funding
                                                          and I learned
                                                          that it is a
                                                          powerful way
                                                          for the
                                                          community
                                                          involved with
                                                          that to signal
                                                          intent about
                                                          priorities
                                                          when
                                                          organizing the
                                                          event.  It
                                                          worked out
                                                          really well,
                                                          and allowed us
                                                          to keep our
                                                          event 100%
                                                          free for those
                                                          who couldn't
                                                          or chose not
                                                          to pay to
                                                          attend.  Since
                                                          it was super
                                                          successful, I
                                                          pretty much
                                                          drank the
                                                          crowd funding
                                                          kool-aid.  
                                                          Later this
                                                          year some
                                                          gaming (as in
                                                          playing
                                                          dungeons and
                                                          dragons every
                                                          sunday night)
                                                          folks and I
                                                          will be
                                                          running a
                                                          separate
                                                          kickstarter to
                                                          collect funds
                                                          to print
                                                          something that
                                                          we have been
                                                          working on as
                                                          a hobby; we
                                                          have had a
                                                          number of
                                                          people say
                                                          they would buy
                                                          a copy, but
                                                          using
                                                          crowdfunding
                                                          will allow us
                                                          to figure out
                                                          how much to
                                                          spend on
                                                          printing stuff
                                                          and
                                                          potentially
                                                          allow us to
                                                          get a higher
                                                          volume printed
                                                          so we can
                                                          reduce the
                                                          unit cost.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>In
                                                          addition to
                                                          this, I have
                                                          pitched using
                                                          crowd-funding
                                                          to fund the
                                                          development of
                                                          high quality
                                                          training
                                                          materials to
                                                          at least one
                                                          other OWASP
                                                          leader.<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          Has anyone
                                                          else in the
                                                          OWASP
                                                          community
                                                          investigated
                                                          using
                                                          crowd-funding
                                                          via Indie
                                                          Go-Go,
                                                          Kickstarter,
                                                          or others to
                                                          measure intent
                                                          and make
                                                          physical
                                                          copies of
                                                          things
                                                          available?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          The reason I
                                                          ask is:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          * I would like
                                                          a
                                                          professionally
                                                          manufactured
                                                          version of
                                                          Cornucopia (I
                                                          am talking
                                                          print quality,
                                                          not anything
                                                          else).  This
                                                          is expensive. 
                                                          Also, I want
                                                          about 12
                                                          copies, not 1.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          * I love the
                                                          quality of the
                                                          OpenSAMM
                                                          guide; I
                                                          literally
                                                          carry it
                                                          around with me
                                                          when I am
                                                          attending
                                                          security
                                                          meetups and
                                                          cons where I
                                                          might talk
                                                          about OWASP
                                                          because it's
                                                          production
                                                          values are
                                                          simply superb.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          * I really
                                                          wish I could
                                                          buy (by the
                                                          case)
                                                          professional
                                                          quality
                                                          printouts of
                                                          the OWASP
                                                          cheat sheets
                                                          to give devs
                                                          in my
                                                          community, and
                                                          at work.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          These things
                                                          are expensive
                                                          to produce
                                                          (both the cost
                                                          of
                                                          manufacturing,
                                                          and the cost
                                                          of producing
                                                          good quality
                                                          print
                                                          materials).  <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Is this
                                                          something that
                                                          people are
                                                          interested in
                                                          looking at
                                                          it?  Is it a
                                                          viable
                                                          option?  Are
                                                          people going
                                                          to freak
                                                          out[1] for my
                                                          suggesting
                                                          it?  <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Cheers,<br>
                                                          Yvan<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          [1] omg drama
                                                          talking about
                                                          crowdfunding
                                                          in some other
                                                          communities I
                                                          am involved
                                                          with (gaming,
                                                          local
                                                          activism, etc)<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
_______________________________________________<br>
                                                          OWASP-Leaders
                                                          mailing list<br>
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org" target="_blank">OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org</a><br>
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-leaders"
                                                          target="_blank">https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-leaders</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
_______________________________________________<br>
                                                          OWASP-Leaders
                                                          mailing list<br>
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org" target="_blank">OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org</a><br>
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-leaders"
                                                          target="_blank">https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-leaders</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
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                                                          <p
                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><font
color="#ff6600"><b>Samantha Groves, MBA</b></font></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><i><font
color="#ff6600">OWASP Projects Manager</font></i></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px">
                                                          <i><font
                                                          color="#ff6600"><br>
                                                          </font></i></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><font
color="#666666">The OWASP Foundation</font></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px">
                                                          <font
                                                          color="#666666">Phoenix,




                                                          USA</font></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><span
style="color:rgb(102,102,102)">Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          href="mailto:samantha.groves@owasp.org"
target="_blank">samantha.groves@owasp.org</a></span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><font
color="#666666">Skype: samanthahz </font></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px">
                                                          <font
                                                          color="#666666"><br>
                                                          </font></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Project"
style="background-color:transparent" target="_blank">OWASP Global
                                                          Projects</a></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://goo.gl/mZXdZ" target="_blank">Book a
                                                          Meeting with
                                                          Me</a></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px">
                                                          <font
                                                          color="#666666"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://owasp4.owasp.org/contactus.html"
                                                          target="_blank">OWASP




                                                          Contact US
                                                          Form</a></font></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px">
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.tfaforms.com/263506" target="_blank">New Project
                                                          Application
                                                          Form</a></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><br>
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style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><br>
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                                                          <p
                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><font
color="#ff6600"><b>Samantha Groves, MBA</b></font></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><i><font
color="#ff6600">OWASP Projects Manager</font></i></p>
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                                                          <i><font
                                                          color="#ff6600"><br>
                                                          </font></i></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><font
color="#666666">The OWASP Foundation</font></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px">
                                                          <font
                                                          color="#666666">Phoenix,



                                                          USA</font></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><span
style="color:rgb(102,102,102)">Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          href="mailto:samantha.groves@owasp.org"
target="_blank">samantha.groves@owasp.org</a></span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><font
color="#666666">Skype: samanthahz </font></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px">
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                                                          color="#666666"><br>
                                                          </font></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Project"
style="background-color:transparent" target="_blank">OWASP Global
                                                          Projects</a></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://goo.gl/mZXdZ" target="_blank">Book a
                                                          Meeting with
                                                          Me</a></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px">
                                                          <font
                                                          color="#666666"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://owasp4.owasp.org/contactus.html"
                                                          target="_blank">OWASP



                                                          Contact US
                                                          Form</a></font></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px">
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.tfaforms.com/263506" target="_blank">New Project
                                                          Application
                                                          Form</a></p>
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                                                          style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><br>
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style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><br>
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                                                        color="#ff6600"><b>Samantha


                                                          Groves, MBA</b></font></p>
                                                    <p
                                                      style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><i><font
color="#ff6600">OWASP Projects Manager</font></i></p>
                                                    <p
                                                      style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px">
                                                      <i><font
                                                          color="#ff6600"><br>
                                                        </font></i></p>
                                                    <p
                                                      style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><font
                                                        color="#666666">The

                                                        OWASP Foundation</font></p>
                                                    <p
                                                      style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px">
                                                      <font
                                                        color="#666666">Phoenix,

                                                        USA</font></p>
                                                    <p
                                                      style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><span
style="color:rgb(102,102,102)">Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          href="mailto:samantha.groves@owasp.org"
target="_blank">samantha.groves@owasp.org</a></span></p>
                                                    <p
                                                      style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><font
                                                        color="#666666">Skype:


                                                        samanthahz </font></p>
                                                    <p
                                                      style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px">
                                                      <font
                                                        color="#666666"><br>
                                                      </font></p>
                                                    <p
                                                      style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                        href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Project"
style="background-color:transparent" target="_blank">OWASP Global
                                                        Projects</a></p>
                                                    <p
                                                      style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://goo.gl/mZXdZ" target="_blank">Book a
                                                        Meeting with Me</a></p>
                                                    <p
                                                      style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px">
                                                      <font
                                                        color="#666666"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://owasp4.owasp.org/contactus.html"
                                                          target="_blank">OWASP

                                                          Contact US
                                                          Form</a></font></p>
                                                    <p
                                                      style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px">
                                                      <a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.tfaforms.com/263506" target="_blank">New Project
                                                        Application Form</a></p>
                                                    <p
                                                      style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><br>
                                                    </p>
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style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;margin:0px"><br>
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