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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Simon, <br>
      <br>
      thank you so much for organising this and setting this up.<br>
      This is great and I will be looking forward to using this
      community poll more in the future!<br>
      <br>
      And I totally agree with your replies to requests from non-owasp
      email holders. <br>
      Nothing is perfect and the tool is as it is and naturally has some
      technical limitations. In case of public requests, it is fully
      sufficient to make available simple summary results after the
      survey is closed. We don't need to make huge investments just to
      publish partial real-time preliminary update results for the
      public. In most normal cases, surveys don't even have preliminary
      status updates at all. <br>
      <br>
      All the best, Tobias<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Ps.: on a technical term, one might also question the requesters
      argument that an internal member poll for a decision would qualify
      as "OWASP materials". However, personally I just love openness and
      transparency and would encourage and embrace if we could post the
      end summary results of our community surveys somewhere on our
      website after they are finished. (Without publishing details how
      each single named individual voted in the poll.)<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 08/01/14 14:40, psiinon wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAORxfg58xnhzQWM7atcZ=fBp3eg-aAA26ax+0MmmFVjG4fY0ug@mail.gmail.com"
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                <div>And another problem...<br>
                  <br>
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                I've been receiving _lots_ of requests to access the
                form from non OWASP accounts.<br>
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              I have replied to all of them with a canned response of:<br>
              <div style="margin-left:40px">I'm afraid this poll is
                currently only available to people with OWASP email
                accounts to ensure that only OWASP members /
                contributors take part.<br>
                <br>
                To get an OWASP email address follow the link on <a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Owasp.org_email_address">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Owasp.org_email_address</a><br>
                <br>
                Cheers,<br>
                <br>
                Simon<br>
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              <br>
            </div>
            However I've just received a reply of:<br>
            <div style="margin-left:40px">Dear Simon,
              <div><br>
                <div>the main page of the owasp website states "all of
                  our materials are available under a free and open
                  software license". Thus I again ask for these
                  materials. </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Best regards,</div>
                <div>a long-time owasp follower</div>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>PS: Thanks, I don't need these information, but I am
                just surprised that being an all open and free project,
                you deny access to these informtion? Isn't that ignoring
                the foundaries of the project?<br>
                <br>
              </div>
            </div>
            <div>For now I'm going to stick with the statement I put on
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Polls">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Polls</a>:<br>
              <div style="margin-left:40px">Note that only OWASP members
                can see the 'live' results. A summary of the results
                will be made public when the poll closes, but the full
                details will stay restricted to OWASP members to prevent
                email harvesting.
              </div>
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            <br>
          </div>
          However I want to let anyone else have a say on this rather
          than it being just my decision.<br>
          <br>
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        Simon<br>
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      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 2:34 PM, psiinon
          <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:psiinon@gmail.com" target="_blank">psiinon@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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                      <div>OK, it looks like Google Forms arent _quite_
                        as good as they initially seem :(<br>
                        <br>
                      </div>
                      For a start, there is no easy way to prevent
                      anyone from voting multiple times.<br>
                    </div>
                    We can see if anyone does, but thats not always
                    immediately obvious if there are a lot of responses.<br>
                    <br>
                  </div>
                  The poll owner can edit the spreadsheet to take out
                  'extra' votes, but the totals in the summary are _not_
                  updated :(<br>
                  <br>
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                This means that the summary for the 'RSA' poll is
                currently wrong - I removed one 'extra' vote (which may
                of course have been accidental) and then removed 2 extra
                votes that I made while testing to see if I could easily
                prevent multiple votes :(<br>
                <br>
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              <div>If anyone has any straightforward solutions to these
                2 issues then please let me know.<br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
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              Simon<br>
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                <div class="h5"><br>
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                    On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Dennis Groves <span
                      dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:dennis.groves@owasp.org"
                        target="_blank">dennis.groves@owasp.org</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                        <div>I was one of the first to answer the
                          survey, however, let me publicly say that this
                          is an awesome idea Psiinon!</div>
                        <div>We really should be involving the community
                          much more, and this is a great way to do
                          that. </div>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_extra">
                        <div>
                          <div><br>
                            <br>
                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 7, 2014
                              at 11:27 AM, Dinis Cruz <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:dinis.cruz@owasp.org"
                                  target="_blank">dinis.cruz@owasp.org</a>></span>
                              wrote:<br>
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                                style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
                                #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                <div dir="ltr">yeah, keep it @<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="http://owasp.org"
                                    target="_blank">owasp.org</a> domain
                                  only since that is also a nice perk
                                  for having that email address (and
                                  makes the whole process simpler)
                                  <div>
                                    <br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Rock & Roll Simon, this is a
                                    great evolution :)</div>
                                  <span><font color="#888888">
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Dinis</div>
                                    </font></span></div>
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                                    <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                      <br>
                                      <div class="gmail_quote">On 7
                                        January 2014 15:48, <span
                                          dir="ltr"><<a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="mailto:nawaid.iqbal@owasp.org"
                                            target="_blank">nawaid.iqbal@owasp.org</a>></span>
                                        wrote:<br>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                          style="margin:0 0 0
                                          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
                                          solid;padding-left:1ex">I
                                          agree with Tobias. People with
                                          only <a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="http://owasp.org"
                                            target="_blank">owasp.org</a>
                                          should only be allowed to
                                          voice their opinion<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Regards<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Nawaid<br>
                                          Sent from BlackBerry® on
                                          Airtel<br>
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                                              -----Original Message-----<br>
                                              From: psiinon <<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:psiinon@gmail.com"
                                                target="_blank">psiinon@gmail.com</a>><br>
                                              Sender: <a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:owasp-leaders-bounces@lists.owasp.org"
                                                target="_blank">owasp-leaders-bounces@lists.owasp.org</a><br>
                                              Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014
                                              11:55:11<br>
                                              To: Michael Coates<<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:michael.coates@owasp.org"
                                                target="_blank">michael.coates@owasp.org</a>><br>
                                              Cc: Kanwal Singh
                                              \(WebMentors\)<<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:kanwalsb@gmail.com"
                                                target="_blank">kanwalsb@gmail.com</a>>;
                                              OWASP Leaders<<a
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                                                href="mailto:owasp-leaders@lists.owasp.org"
                                                target="_blank">owasp-leaders@lists.owasp.org</a>>;
                                              Nishant Johar
                                              \(EMOBX\)<<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:nj@emobx.com"
                                                target="_blank">nj@emobx.com</a>>;
                                              Ravdeep Sodhi<<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:ravdeep.sodhi@ecoretechnos.com"
                                                target="_blank">ravdeep.sodhi@ecoretechnos.com</a>><br>
                                              Subject: Re:
                                              [Owasp-leaders] Regular
                                              OWASP polls<br>
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