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      Hi,<br>
      <br>
      don't know about the US conferences but Omaha seems more
      optimistic as Denver, as<br>
      far as training revenue is concerned (100k vs 79k/39k) and number
      of participants.<br>
      Numbers for the latter:  1500/1000 vs  1000/750
      (optimistic/conservative).<br>
      <br>
      In the optimistic scenario the numbers for paid and total
      attendance are probably<br>
      swapped.<br>
      <br>
      Venue and catering are ~160k for Omaha, Denver 277k. BTW:<br>
      What's the venue for Denver?<br>
      <br>
      BR, Dirk<br>
      <br>
      Am 06/18/2013 10:56 PM, schrieb Sarah Baso:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Checklist version 1 is available here: <a
          moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Conference_Planning_Table">https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Conference_Planning_Table</a> 
        and overview of tasks here: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.owasp.org/images/2/2a/Conference_Timeline_Overview.pdf">https://www.owasp.org/images/2/2a/Conference_Timeline_Overview.pdf</a>
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        <div>This definitely could use some work but it is a starting
          place for now ;-0</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Fabio
          Cerullo <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:fcerullo@owasp.org" target="_blank">fcerullo@owasp.org</a>></span>
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              <div>Agree with Tom.</div>
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              <div>For an Appsec Conference there should be a track
                record of at least one regional event being held by the
                soliciting chapter.</div>
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              <div>A <span>scoring criteria for proposals</span> will
                definitely help. Also, a checklist of "things to be
                done" once the proposal has been selected with time
                frames, etc.</div>
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                Fabio<br>
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                Sent from my iPhone</div>
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                    On 18 Jun 2013, at 21:42, Tom Brennan <<a
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                      href="mailto:tomb@owasp.org" target="_blank">tomb@owasp.org</a>>
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                          <div>Denver has been kicking ass and taking
                            names at FROC proven team and experience. <br>
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                          I would love to see a Nebraska event however
                          is there a track record?  I would like to see
                          a active chapter, a active regional event that
                          makes OCMS before the investment of time
                          energy and effort.<br>
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                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at
                          3:45 PM, Sarah Baso <span dir="ltr"><<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:sarah.baso@owasp.org"
                              target="_blank">sarah.baso@owasp.org</a>></span>
                          wrote:<br>
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                            <div dir="ltr">All -
                              <div>We have received an additional
                                proposal for AppSec USA 2014 from the
                                Omaha, Nebraska Chapter.  So, now that
                                we have 2 proposals to consider (Denver
                                and Omaha)  I think it is appropriate to
                                have an open comment and vote on the
                                about the two proposals.</div>
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                              <div>In the future, as Eoin noted in his
                                original email, we need to develop some
                                scoring criteria for proposals.  Since
                                time is of the essence though with the
                                AppSec USA proposals and I don't think
                                it is fair to set scoring criteria AFTER
                                the submissions have been received, I
                                think the best way to handle this is to
                                have an open voting.  I have included
                                some previous AppSec conference hosts on
                                this thread hoping they will weigh in on
                                any considerations or thoughts on the
                                proposals, base on their past
                                experiences. </div>
                              <div><br>
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                              <div><b>I have set up this google
                                  moderator page for voting <a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="https://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=20c908&t=20c908.41"
                                    target="_blank">https://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=20c908&t=20c908.41</a> </b></div>
                              <div><b><br>
                                </b></div>
                              <div><b>We will be accepting votes until
                                  the end of the day FRIDAY, JUNE 21.</b></div>
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                              <div><b>Information on the two proposals:</b></div>
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                                <b>DENVER, CO</b></div>
                              <div><b>Submission from Snofroc Team
                                  (Denver & Boulder Chapters) -  </b><a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="https://ocms.owasp.org/events/230/"
                                  target="_blank">https://ocms.owasp.org/events/230/</a></div>
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                                <ul>
                                  <li>
                                    Team leads: Mark Major & Steve
                                    Kosten</li>
                                  <li>Presentation (Why Denver?) <a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/file/d/0B5cq5xuMqNYSRWlUbUZSckhNMlk/edit?usp=sharing"
                                      target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/file/d/0B5cq5xuMqNYSRWlUbUZSckhNMlk/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
                                  </li>
                                  <li>Budget - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Apcq5xuMqNYSdHMyUnAwaDBlQ1Nxa3AyWDEwN0Zya3c#gid=0"
                                      target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Apcq5xuMqNYSdHMyUnAwaDBlQ1Nxa3AyWDEwN0Zya3c#gid=0</a></li>
                                </ul>
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                              <div><b>OMAHA, NE</b></div>
                              <div>Submission from Omaha Chapter -- <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="https://ocms.owasp.org/events/231/"
                                  target="_blank">https://ocms.owasp.org/events/231/</a></div>
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                                <ul>
                                  <li>
                                    Team leads: Fred Donovan and Rob
                                    Temple</li>
                                  <li>Presentation (Why Omaha?) <a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/file/d/0B6ftS9CyBPmqYThQR1NPYko4Yjg/edit?usp=sharing"
                                      target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/file/d/0B6ftS9CyBPmqYThQR1NPYko4Yjg/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
                                  </li>
                                  <li>Budget - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/file/d/0B6ftS9CyBPmqaTgwdXdteWpzd2c/edit?usp=sharing"
                                      target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/a/owasp.org/file/d/0B6ftS9CyBPmqaTgwdXdteWpzd2c/edit?usp=sharing</a></li>
                                </ul>
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                                <div class="gmail_extra">Looking forward
                                  to hearing everyone's thoughts and
                                  feedback!</div>
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                                <div class="gmail_extra">Regards,</div>
                                <div class="gmail_extra">
                                  Sarah Baso<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun
                                    7, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Sarah Baso <span
                                      dir="ltr"><<a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:sarah.baso@owasp.org"
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                                    wrote:<br>
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                                      <div dir="ltr">Hi Eoin (and OWASP
                                        community members)
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                                          <br>
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                                        <div>Great questions ;-)</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>First the specifics for
                                          next year's events:</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>We have received one
                                          proposal for each AppSec USA
                                          2014 (Denver CO) and AppSec
                                          Europe (Cambridge UK) - so
                                          there is no selection as much
                                          as an open opportunity for
                                          anyone to voice any objections
                                          before I approve these two
                                          great proposals so they can
                                          get planning.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>AppSec EU/Research for 2014
                                          is proposed for the end of
                                          June in Cambridge, UK --
                                          details here: <a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="https://ocms.owasp.org/events/220/"
                                            target="_blank">https://ocms.owasp.org/events/220/</a></div>
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                                        </div>
                                        <div>AppSec USA 2014 is proposed
                                          for Q3 (September ideally) for
                                          Denver, Colorado -- details
                                          here: <a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="https://ocms.owasp.org/events/230/"
                                            target="_blank">https://ocms.owasp.org/events/230/</a></div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>So, please take this
                                          opportunity to voice any
                                          questions, objections, support
                                          and barring no big issues, I
                                          will go forward with approving
                                          the events in OCMS on next
                                          Friday, the 14th.</div>
                                        <div><br>
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                                        <div>-----</div>
                                        <div>In terms of a transparent
                                          and audit-able selection
                                          process - when there is only
                                          one proposal received for the
                                          event (as has been the case
                                          for all the Global appsecs
                                          last year and most of them the
                                          year before that, and so far
                                          for next year) - there really
                                          is no "selection process" as
                                          much as an opportunity to
                                          review the budget, discuss
                                          expectations with the local
                                          team proposing to host, and
                                          barring no issues "approve".
                                           The Global Conference
                                          Committee previously conducted
                                          this process and there was not
                                          a scoring, but they just voted
                                          on the location  if there was
                                          more than one submitted.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>If you would like to put
                                          together a process or outline
                                          for what you would like to
                                          see, I think that would be
                                          great. Otherwise, we will put
                                          it on the wish list and when
                                          we get someone new hired for
                                          the conferences position the
                                          staff, community, and that
                                          person can work on putting
                                          something together.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Open to other feedback you
                                          have!</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Best,<br>
                                          Sarah Baso</div>
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                                              On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at
                                              6:14 AM, Eoin <span
                                                dir="ltr"><<a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:eoin.keary@owasp.org" target="_blank">eoin.keary@owasp.org</a>></span>
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                                                I ask when venues for
                                                2014 shall be selected
                                                and also how is the
                                                selection process
                                                conducted.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                Who makes the choice,
                                                how is the panel made
                                                up?<br>
                                                <br>
                                                I really want a
                                                transparent an auditable
                                                selection process.  What
                                                scoring mechanism is
                                                being used?<br>
                                                <br>
                                                For me this is a staff
                                                decision coupled with
                                                our (to be hired)
                                                conference manager.<br>
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German OWASP Board, Conference Chair AppSec EU 2013 
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