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    Hi Everyone,<br>
    <br>
    Yes, there is definitely a convenience to email, and but forums
    offer much to the community - so i'm working on a solution to
    provide both.&nbsp; I just emailed the developers of a plugin called m2f
    which allows integration of a forum + mailman, so it may be possible
    to do both.<br>
    <br>
    At the leadership meeting last night, one of the biggest complains
    is a lack of effective communication.&nbsp; A forum would go a *long* way
    to helping solve this problem, and would make OWASP much more
    accessible to new members trying to get up to speed with the
    organization. <br>
    <br>
    Let's use our collective intelligence to solve this problem in a
    forward looking way.&nbsp; forum + email backend?&nbsp; forum + iphone app?&nbsp; I
    think it's clear we have to evolve if we want to expand as an
    organization, we just need to think a little outside of the box to
    get there.<br>
    <br>
    Keep the conversation going.&nbsp; Anybody else have an opinion on this?<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    Jerry<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    On 2/9/11 11:34 AM, Ofer Maor wrote:
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);">I Don&#8217;t think we need a trial to tell the diff
            between forum and email </span><span style="font-size:
            11pt; font-family: Wingdings; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">J</span><span
            style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);">Forum is by far more useful for threaded
            discussions (assuming it&#8217;s a good forum </span><span
            style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Wingdings; color:
            rgb(31, 73, 125);">J</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;
            font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
            color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">), but has an inherent problem of
            requiring people to actively load it. As most of us do OWASP
            as something in addition to their day job, it is obvious
            this will reduce participation&#8230; I have a few forums I&#8217;m into
            (hobbies), and I only go on them when I have some free time.
            The OWASP mailing list, I get pushed to the outlook and
            phone which I work on (and I assume it&#8217;s similar for many
            others). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);">This can be partially circumvented by using RSS
            feeds, though still &#8211; you&#8217;ll have to open the forum once u
            get the feed to reply, making it much harder to do &#8220;in
            between&#8221; other email related work. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);">Ofer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            73, 125);"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
                font-family: &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;">From:</span></b><span
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              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:owasp-leaders-bounces@lists.owasp.org">owasp-leaders-bounces@lists.owasp.org</a>
              [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:owasp-leaders-bounces@lists.owasp.org">mailto:owasp-leaders-bounces@lists.owasp.org</a>] <b>On
                Behalf Of </b>Seba<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 09, 2011 12:29<br>
              <b>To:</b> owasp-leaders<br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Owasp-leaders] Mailing list -&gt;
              Forum<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">unless we give it a good trial run, we will
          keep running un circles here.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Let's discuss this on the forum? :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">--Seba<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Ofer
              Maor &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:ofer.maor@owasp.org">ofer.maor@owasp.org</a>&gt;
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">I'm against forums, unless coupled with
              email. I read 90% of my owasp emails from my phone as they
              r pushed in. If I'd have to actively open a forum I'd
              likely miss half of what's going on.<br>
              <br>
              Ofer.<br>
              <br>
              // Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  On Feb 9, 2011, at 2:23, Jerry Hoff &lt;<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:jerry@owasp.org">jerry@owasp.org</a>&gt;
                  wrote:<br>
                  <br>
                  &gt; Hi Leaders,<br>
                  &gt;<br>
                  &gt; I'm writing to put forth an idea that has been
                  floating around OWASP for<br>
                  &gt; a while, but needs to be implemented. The move
                  from email list -&gt; owasp<br>
                  &gt; forum. &nbsp;Although the mailing lists are published,
                  I think the general<br>
                  &gt; consensus is that the archives are:<br>
                  &gt;<br>
                  &gt; 1) hard to find (in some cases you can only
                  access them via forced browsing)<br>
                  &gt; 2) definitely not user-friendly for searching<br>
                  &gt;<br>
                  &gt; A move to a forum will build a stronger OWASP
                  community (hopefully),<br>
                  &gt; allow for greater transparency among the various
                  chapters, committees<br>
                  &gt; and the board, and will give new members a place
                  to come and more easily<br>
                  &gt; interact with the other members of the OWASP
                  community. &nbsp; It would leave<br>
                  &gt; searchable record of all the collective OWASP
                  security wisdom in one<br>
                  &gt; place.<br>
                  &gt;<br>
                  &gt; So does anyone have any strong opinions on the
                  future of<br>
                  &gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://forum.owasp.org" target="_blank">forum.owasp.org</a>?
                  &nbsp;Larry Casey has generously offered to set it up, and
                  I<br>
                  &gt; think it would be a huge plus for the community.
                  &nbsp;As Michael Coates<br>
                  &gt; suggested, we could then start gradually
                  migrating particular volunteer<br>
                  &gt; groups as a beta, and if it works out, we can
                  ultimately migrate more<br>
                  &gt; mailing lists over to a forum.<br>
                  &gt;<br>
                  &gt; We can also port the existing mail lists archives
                  into the forum, for<br>
                  &gt; historical purposes.<br>
                  &gt;<br>
                  &gt; This would give a centralized home for all the
                  regional chapters,<br>
                  &gt; committees, projects, conferences and the board.<br>
                  &gt;<br>
                  &gt; So leaders, what say you?<br>
                  &gt;<br>
                  &gt; Jerry Hoff<br>
                  &gt; _______________________________________________<br>
                  &gt; OWASP-Leaders mailing list<br>
                  &gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org">OWASP-Leaders@lists.owasp.org</a><br>
                  &gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-leaders"
                    target="_blank">https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-leaders</a><br>
                  _______________________________________________<br>
                  OWASP-Leaders mailing list<br>
                  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                    href="https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-leaders"
                    target="_blank">https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo/owasp-leaders</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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