[Owasp-leaders] don't allow explicit discrimination 🙏🏿 (women only)

Bil Corry bil.corry at owasp.org
Tue Mar 19 17:46:10 UTC 2019

Thank you Timur for raising this issue.  This training is being offered by
the Women in AppSec (WIA) Committee, which is officially charted by OWASP
to "develop leadership, promote active membership and participation, and
contributions by women in application security professional communities,
globally and locally."

The training itself conforms within their charter, however, it should
probably be labeled as "Women Focused" rather than "Woman Only" as both
Vandana and Avi have said men can sign up for it.  I'd also suggest making
it clear in the description that it's being offered by WIA.

Best regards,

- Bil

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 9:32 PM Timur 'x' Khrotko [owasp] <timur at owasp.org>

> Dear Board, dear Josh,
> please modify the conditions of the Burp/ZAP training announced at Appsec
> Global in Tel Aviv. The "women only" condition is gender discriminatory,
> that is just plainly discriminatory and as such contradicts the faith and
> probably the policies of OWASP. Also it contradicted the training review
> policy which promised to make choices solely on professional grounds.
> Dear all,
> I understand the idea behind it and I support the WIA initiative but there
> must be common sense limits. You shouldn't encourage black only tailor
> shops in your holy fight with racially discriminatory tailor shops.
> There're options to keep the idea, maybe make the training free for WIA
> members -- that would be against my taste still but maybe something
> tolerable. Or let WIA invent a clever and tasteful solution for the
> conditions of a free training to engage female devs in secdev.
> As far as I know this isn't an issue with the Tel Aviv organisers as this
> training was nested from above. And also this women only thing already
> happened at one of the previous conferences, in the US probably.
> Consider that when one inserts trainings for political reasons then
> similar trainings which could compete on professional grounds get
> automatically excluded. So by promoting causes which are not exactly the
> core causes OWASP exists for one harms the professional impartiality/etc.
> Satirical sidenote: I'm not afraid of being tagged as trumpist since I'm
> already a Russian troll 😀 And during the Samantha-gate I already accepted
> highbrow American comments that we don't know modern social/moral norms at
> this side of the world.
> Or would it be a good move next time to announce a 'Muslims only', 'Jews
> only', 'childfree only' or a 'gay only' training next time? (I subscribe to
> support all these causes and peoples sometimes discriminated -- even in my
> OWASP hat but not in a discriminatory way.)
> Your thoughts?
> Current reference: https://telaviv.appsecglobal.org/registration/
> Timur
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