[Owasp-leaders] don't allow explicit discrimination 🙏🏿 (women only)

Kevin W. Wall kevin.w.wall at gmail.com
Fri Mar 15 03:36:20 UTC 2019

Perhaps a better approach to attempt to attract minorities for such
training would be to:
1) Invite representatives of those minorities as speakers / trainers.
2) Have an initial enrollment period where it is only open to said
minorities you are attempting to attract before opening it to a wider, more
general audience.
3) Possibly offer discounts for or get sponsorship of minorities, to help
pay their way.

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On Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 21:32 Timur 'x' Khrotko [owasp] <timur at owasp.org>

> Dear Board, dear Josh,
> please modify the conditions of the Burp/ZAP training announced at Appsec
> Global in Tel Aviv. The "women only" condition is gender discriminatory,
> that is just plainly discriminatory and as such contradicts the faith and
> probably the policies of OWASP. Also it contradicted the training review
> policy which promised to make choices solely on professional grounds.
> Dear all,
> I understand the idea behind it and I support the WIA initiative but there
> must be common sense limits. You shouldn't encourage black only tailor
> shops in your holy fight with racially discriminatory tailor shops.
> There're options to keep the idea, maybe make the training free for WIA
> members -- that would be against my taste still but maybe something
> tolerable. Or let WIA invent a clever and tasteful solution for the
> conditions of a free training to engage female devs in secdev.
> As far as I know this isn't an issue with the Tel Aviv organisers as this
> training was nested from above. And also this women only thing already
> happened at one of the previous conferences, in the US probably.
> Consider that when one inserts trainings for political reasons then
> similar trainings which could compete on professional grounds get
> automatically excluded. So by promoting causes which are not exactly the
> core causes OWASP exists for one harms the professional impartiality/etc.
> Satirical sidenote: I'm not afraid of being tagged as trumpist since I'm
> already a Russian troll 😀 And during the Samantha-gate I already accepted
> highbrow American comments that we don't know modern social/moral norms at
> this side of the world.
> Or would it be a good move next time to announce a 'Muslims only', 'Jews
> only', 'childfree only' or a 'gay only' training next time? (I subscribe to
> support all these causes and peoples sometimes discriminated -- even in my
> OWASP hat but not in a discriminatory way.)
> Your thoughts?
> Current reference: https://telaviv.appsecglobal.org/registration/
> Timur
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