[Owasp-leaders] Discourse

Matt Tesauro matt.tesauro at owasp.org
Wed Jan 16 20:42:26 UTC 2019

Kevin:  I agree with you about the archives and that was already accounted
for in the plans to retire Mailman.

The archives will be kept after Mailmain is retired at the same URLs as
they are static HTML and there's loads of ways to host static content with
no administrative burden.

-- Matt Tesauro
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Director of Community and Operations
matt.tesauro at owasp.org

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On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 2:15 PM Kevin W. Wall <kevin.w.wall at gmail.com>

> I personally likely would choose a moderated Google Group over Discourse
> for our ESAPI mailing lists should it come to that. My biggest concern
> about leaving Mailman would be losing all the previous mail list archives.
> I constantly refer to some of the discussions in the ESAPI-User mailing
> list archives. I'd hate to have to resort to pointing people to the
> Internet Archive (archive.org) to chase down those email threads because
> that site is blocked by a lot of corporate proxies. Are there any plans to
> at least keep the archived mailing lists indefinitely or at least until the
> project or chapter shuts down?
> -kevin
> --
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> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019, 12:55 Bjoern Kimminich <bjoern.kimminich at owasp.org
> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> even as someone with only 3 or 4 subscribers on his project mailing list
>> (myself included) I still would vote for keeping and paying our technical
>> debts on Mailman.
>> Discourse wants to be somewhere in between Mailman and Slack imho but it
>> doesn't look like a good alternative to either.
>> Mailing lists might feel retro, but they work and have a low entry
>> barrier ("have an email address"). Slack is great for chat-style
>> communication, support handling, link sharing etc. but doesn't preserve
>> eternal history afaik. Discourse is just painfully ugly on mobile devices
>> (stupid wrapper app around HTML page) and even their web UI/UX is a mess.
>> TL;DR: +1 for Dirk's proposal to keep Mailman over Discourse
>> Cheers,
>> Björn
>> Am 16. Januar 2019 13:18:49 MEZ schrieb Dirk Wetter <dirk at owasp.org>:
>>> Hi Matt, all,
>>> On 16.01.19 02:39, Matt Tesauro wrote:
>>> If you don't like Mailman or how it's currently working, I'd remind you of an item in the
>>>> December Connector - we're actively looking to retire Mailman in 2019 and suggesting current
>>>> users mover over to Discourse <https://discourse.owasp.org/>. The lists server is running on an
>>>> EOS/EOL OS with an EOS/EOL version of Mailman at a particularly expensive hosting company in an
>>>> highly "customized" (in a bad way) installation that was never documented and has a very, very
>>>> dated UI.  It's time for it to be retired.
>>> Mailman is a piece of highly configurable Unix/open source software (with reasonable defaults)
>>> which exists for almost 2 decades.
>>> The 2.1 version we're using still has support
>>> (http://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html) but doesn't get new features. Actually e.g.
>>> on Debian 9 there's still
>>> mailman 2 only available, so is on Opensuse Tumbleweed. Only Debian 10 which is still
>>> not released ("testing)" offers mailman 3 /as well/.
>>> UI? Does it have to be colored and with icons and stuff?
>>> Replacing Mailman has been discussed for years see
>>>> here <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/About_Mailman_at_OWASP>.
>>> That discussion started when some lists were sending pw reminders. There were
>>> also discussions what the information security value of the password is (close
>>> to zero). Then we configured the lists so that they don't send out reminders.
>>> So, given that, to me mailman is absolutely fine. Rsyncing the data to a new hosting
>>> company with Debian 9 or 10 will give us at least 5 more years.
>>> I do not see a point for Discourse . There are more important things wot work on IMO.
>>> Dirk
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