[Owasp-leaders] Retiring Mailman - the plan

Dirk Wetter dirk at owasp.org
Wed Feb 27 14:27:35 UTC 2019


all. Please keep in mind that a fool with a tool is still a fool.

Any CMS -- Wikis are belonging to the CMS category too -- sucks if you can't operate it or you
don't have a housekeeper taking care in different respects of the content.

Discussion around mailman: I am deeply concerned how we operate our infrastructure (patches
missing for five years, not setting priorities) and how we make decisions. I have an
infrastructure background even before Linux was available.

It was kind of a frustrating experience for me to argue with either blackholes here (no
response), getting the same responses over and over without replying to my arguments or just
shouts on the mailing list "discourse", "tool X". It was just wasted life time ...

Maybe it's also a mindset / cultural difference, I don't know.


On 27.02.19 14:02, Owen Pendlebury wrote:
> Hi Tom,
> This is something the current board has spoken about and want to progress. It’s on it’s way
> On Wed 27 Feb 2019 at 12:40, Tom Brennan <tomb at owasp.org <mailto:tomb at owasp.org>> wrote:
>     Clap clap clap! 
>     Alcon;
>     Maybe next is the OWASP Website?  We spend $15,000 and then.... no progress 
>     The plan, the details here;
>     https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Initiatives_Global_Strategic_Focus/website_project
>     *Tom Brennan, Chapter/Project Leader*
>     *OWASP Foundation, NYC Metro*
>     *1 (973) 202-0122 | www.owasp.org <http://www.owasp.org>*
>     On Feb 26, 2019, at 8:45 PM, Matt Tesauro <matt.tesauro at owaspfoundation.org
>     <mailto:matt.tesauro at owaspfoundation.org>> wrote:
>>     TLDR:  OWASP will be retiring mailman on March 22, 2019.  Google Groups will be used for
>>     mail lists going forward.  List owners can choose to migrate to Google Groups during this
>>     process.
>>     Full details at https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Staff-Projects/Mailman-EOL
>>     Members of the remaining list can expect more notifications during this process.
>>     Bit of background:  There's been discussion off and on for years about upgrading Mailman,
>>     retiring mailman, moving to other, similar things, etc.  Due to a bunch of factors listed
>>     in the wiki page linked above, it has been decided that Mailman will be retired and any
>>     community group wanting to have a mail list will use Google Groups.  Some communities
>>     (like OWASP Zap) have been using Google Groups for years.  Some chapters who have moved
>>     to the Foundation's Meetup Pro account, no longer see a need for a mail list.  The choice
>>     is yours.
>>     Additionally, as part of the 2019 planning which happened last week at the OWASP
>>     Foundation Staff Summit, it has been decided to discontinue Discourse and move any
>>     'category' which wants a mail list to Google Groups.
>>     If you are a list owner, expect future correspondence about migrating your list to Google
>>     Groups  - I will directly contact the email addresses that are list owners.  The lists
>>     which will be migrated are shown at https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo (obviously
>>     that URL doesn't show private lists)
>>     Cheers!
>>     --
>>     -- Matt Tesauro
>>     *OWASP Foundation*
>>     Director of Community and Operations
>>     matt.tesauro at owaspfoundation.org <mailto:matt.tesauro at owaspfoundation.org>
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