[Owasp-leaders] [Owasp-board] Where are the boardmembers?

johanna curiel curiel johanna.curiel at owasp.org
Sat May 13 20:55:06 UTC 2017

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From: johanna curiel curiel <johanna.curiel at owasp.org>
Date: Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:15 AM
Subject: Being Ignored as a Bullying Tactic
To: Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org>
Cc: Matt Konda <matt.konda at owasp.org>, Tom Brennan <tomb at owasp.org>,
Michael Coates <michael.coates at owasp.org>, Tobias Gondrom <
tobias.gondrom at owasp.org>, Andrew van der Stock <vanderaj at owasp.org>

Hello Everyone,

I have been noticing that when I bring up a 'not so easy subject' , there
is a strong tendency to ignore me

I would like you to read careful the following article
<http://www.bullyfreeatwork.com/being-ignored-as-a-bullying-tactic/> and
even, I invite you to look for information on this subject because,
ignoring people, especially when the other part is expecting a reaction, is
also a way of bullying and discrimination


I'm not saying you are doing this exactly, but starts to feel that way

Could you please take the time, to take a good look of the emails I've been



On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 10:39 PM, Lucas Ferreira <lucas.ferreira at owasp.org>

> I agree. Having organized a couple of AppSec conferences, I see the
> presence of board members as a sign of appreciation by the board and the
> community their represent. I can understand the frustation for the
> organizers if no board members shows up.
> There used to be a time when the board was represented in all AppSec
> conferences every year. This was a sign of the importance of the
> conferences and showed this importance to the local community.
> If the board cannot coordinate to have representation at AppSec
> conferences, this is a problem that needs to be addressed.
> Regards,
> Lucas
> On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 20:50 Sam Stepanyan <sam.stepanyan at owasp.org>
> wrote:
>> I support Martin on this one.
>> We are a non-profit organisation with a Board. We have 2 Major
>> conferences every year: AppSec Europe and AppSec USA (not quite sure what
>> happened to AppSec APAC).
>> The board consists of 7 members:
>>    - Matt Konda
>>    - Johanna Curiel
>>    - Tom Brennan
>>    - Andrew van der Stock
>>    - Josh Sokol
>>    - Michael Coates
>>    - Tobias Gondrom
>> AppSec Europe is attended by OWASP members from 30+ countries. Including
>> non-European countries. Including USA and Canada.
>> There were 30+ OWASP Chapter Leaders at AppSec Europe in Belfast last
>> week waiting to talk to their Board and discuss their issues, hopes and
>> plans with them. And nobody turned up.... well... apart from Matt Tesauro
>> (ex-Board member) who was absolutely fantastic and provided invaluable help
>> and advice. The experience of talking to Matt Tesauro in person and
>> understanding what the Board is up to and what vision it has for OWASP was
>> irreplaceable.
>> Last year when I had an opportunity to meet and talk to Andrew van der
>> Stock at AppSec Europe in Rome it was a similar experience. The
>> re-assurance he gave me personally that the board is supporting the
>> community and the advice and help from him cannot be compared with the
>> brevity of e-mails and mailing lists.
>> Yes, we all have commitments, families, day jobs and emergencies. However
>> the unique experience of being a part of a Global Community and the
>> opportunity to network with like-minded professionals and community members
>> from all around the world gathered in one place for 2 days is priceless. No
>> other security conference like BlackHat/DEFCON/RSA gives you this kind of
>> experience, the same kind of buzz and the sense of being a part of
>> something great like our OWASP AppSec Conferences.
>> Dear OWASP Board. Your work is appreciated. Your presence and engagement
>> in person with the global community members is also appreciated twice a
>> year. Only 4 days per year...
>> just my $0.02...
>> Sam
>> --
>> Sam Stepanyan
>> OWASP London Chapter Leadersam.stepanyan at owasp.orghttps://www.owasp.org/index.php/London
>> Follow OWASP London Chapter on Twitter: @owasplondon
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>> Hi Josh,
>> I know there is no ruling in the OWASP guildlines for board members
>> saying they must attend any conference.
>> Nevertheless, in my opinion, there is a responsibility for the board
>> members to touch base / keep in sync with the community. In my opinion, how
>> are you doing this without seeing them in person at one of the biggest
>> get-together?
>> Next to that, other than what you are required to do, there is the point
>> of felt support if board members attending a OWASP event (of the void of
>> that if no).
>> Hope that clarifies my question,
>> Regards,
>> -martin
>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 7:41 PM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>>> Martin,
>>> I read it, but I fail to see how it is applicable to Board members
>>> attending or not attending the AppSecEU Conference.  Can you please clarify?
>>> ~josh
>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 11:17 AM, johanna curiel curiel <
>>> johanna.curiel at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>> @Josh
>>>> Please read this
>>>> https://www.energizeinc.com/hot-topics/2012/august
>>>> On Friday, May 12, 2017, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>> Martin,
>>>>> The OWASP Board members are volunteers, just like anyone else in the
>>>>> organization.  We all have jobs and other responsibilities that sometimes
>>>>> prevent us from attending events like this.  The message to the global
>>>>> community should be that OWASP is that the Board is there to help make sure
>>>>> the organization is moving in the right direction, but OWASP as an
>>>>> organization, and it's events, are run by and for the community.  While I'm
>>>>> sure attendance would have been welcome, we don't need representatives from
>>>>> the Board to be present in order to have an outstanding event.  My $0.02.
>>>>> ~josh
>>>>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 3:09 PM, <martin.knobloch at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>  Members of the board, et all,
>>>>>> Not sure what else to say else than I am more than disappointed to
>>>>>> see no board member to be at this years AppSec-Eu conference!
>>>>>> Johanna, only who been to Belfast, left before the conference days,
>>>>>> none of the rest showed up at all.
>>>>>> What message is this to the global community!
>>>>>> -martin
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