[Owasp-leaders] Feedback

Bev Corwin bev.corwin at owasp.org
Wed May 10 16:53:50 UTC 2017


On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 6:01 PM, johanna curiel curiel <
johanna.curiel at owasp.org> wrote:

> Hi Bev,
> The time for the meeting in my time zone is 3pm, not the most convenient
> one, but we you move it or we have the meeting after 1pm your time zone
> will be fine with me
> Cheers
> Johanna
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Bev Corwin <bev.corwin at owasp.org> wrote:
>> Hi Johanna,
>> Happy to schedule a call to discuss and go over the various complex
>> issues. I realize that we are all human, and encourage OWASP leadership and
>> staff to take that into consideration, as well, especially when creating
>> and imposing burdensome authoritarian unproductive workflows for Chapter
>> Leaders and Members without any end user feedback or process for adoption /
>> votes to accept them. We are all adults, professionals, and volunteers, and
>> the OWASP Board and Staff should respect and remember this. We have a
>> gotomeeting on the OWASP Calendar on Friday May 26, 10am ET (USA NY) to
>> discuss and document concerns, and will deliver to leadership's thoughtful
>> consideration. All are welcome to participate and share their comments on
>> the shared documents, links available on the calendar invitation. These
>> problems are not caused any one staff person - they are a systematic
>> failure and a cultural failure, most likely due to chronic lack of
>> leadership and lack of community engagement / communication / feedback
>> mechanisms.
>> Sincerely,
>> Bev
>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 7:00 PM, johanna curiel curiel <
>> johanna.curiel at owasp.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Bev,
>>> We should definitely acknowledge that there are issues based on your
>>> strong feedback to the staff and the entire organization. I feel your
>>> frustration and clear you have expressed this clearly multiple times.
>>> I just hope you bare in mind that OWASP is definitely far from perfect,
>>> and yes, there are communication issues, especially when we consider a
>>> staff having to handle a Global community, working remotely, trying to
>>> please everyone. Also board members that have a fulltime jobs and have
>>> taken the responsibility to lead a ship called OWASP and might be too
>>> absorb in their issues.
>>> I'm at appsec talking to the staff and trying to understand the issues
>>> they are facing. Many people are clueless how much works takes to handle a
>>> Global community across the globe and trying to be available 24x7.
>>> Please, bear in mind that for some members of the staff like Tiffany,
>>> this community is particularly new to them, especially, I think, she is
>>>  just trying to get the work done and also with the pressure to have
>>> guidelines ready.
>>> I would like very much to have a call with you and try  to clarify the
>>> issues you as part of the community are confronting.
>>> Lets see how can we use that feedback to improve things and how can we
>>> make sure that volunteers like you are aware of the work done by the staff
>>> with realistic expectations on the actual situation.
>>> We are just people trying to make the web a better place, but let's see
>>> how can we work together to reach that goal.
>>> Email me in private, would like very much to talk to you and see how can
>>> we make improve the communication , but also everyone should be aware that
>>> OWASP is not a corp and far from it.
>>> Help us improve and use your experience to advise us how but also based
>>> on the actual resources and real situation.
>>> Best regards
>>> Johanna
>>> >> Sounds like OWASP Staff are revolting against local chapters and
>>> making the OWASP Global staff the new "kings" of OWASP Chapters. Do you
>>> think that this this appropriate?
>>> >>There are many flaws. Also, staff, chapter leaders and board need
>>> some training in user experience, member experience, and grassroots
>>> communications outreach.
>>> >>My biggest complaint is the fact that it was not put up for vote by
>>> the community before being adopted. Also, that I was not able to comment on
>>> the draft that you shared
>>> >> I am also very disappointed in "bottlenecking" or creating
>>> unnecessary, burdensome costly, wasteful bureaucracy when it is not needed,
>>> or welcome. It is one thing to try to organize things, it is another to
>>> make it harder for chapter leaders and project leaders.
>>> >>You said that the draft was open for comments and *all* comments were
>>> incorporated. I know that this is a false statement because I submitted
>>> comments and they were not incorporated, in fact, they were completely
>>> ignored. Where are these comments documented? I do not think that the
>>> entire community was aware of this opportunity to comment. If they were, I
>>> think that you would have heard more comments like mine, that we need to
>>> develop an integrated local to global workflow for projects and chapter
>>> memberships, sponsors, events and co-marketing arrangements, since it is
>>> too much for staff to do on their own. Also, this document claims funding
>>> options, and our chapter submitted a number of funding requests that were
>>> also ignored. This bottlenecking is holding local chapters back, waiting on
>>> staff, who often times do not come through for them, ignore them, and place
>>> unrealistic responsibilities on them. This needs to change.
>>> >>There is a serious lack of productivity, and performance. Plain and
>>> simple. Staff and board are responsible. Period. Someone needs to state the
>>> facts here. Local chapters are being limited, too. It hurts local and
>>> global. Need to wake up and face the facts.
>>> --
>>> Johanna Curiel
>>> OWASP Volunteer
> --
> Johanna Curiel
> OWASP Volunteer
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