[Owasp-leaders] Feedback

Bev Corwin bev.corwin at owasp.org
Tue May 9 14:12:50 UTC 2017

PS: Yes, agreed, OWASP is a non profit, not a large corporation or gov't
agency. We do not need to build a lot of red tape into our processes and
systems. Need to put a stop to these wasteful practices before they destroy
the struggling organization.

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Bev Corwin <bev.corwin at owasp.org> wrote:

> Hi Johanna,
> Happy to schedule a call to discuss and go over the various complex
> issues. I realize that we are all human, and encourage OWASP leadership and
> staff to take that into consideration, as well, especially when creating
> and imposing burdensome authoritarian unproductive workflows for Chapter
> Leaders and Members without any end user feedback or process for adoption /
> votes to accept them. We are all adults, professionals, and volunteers, and
> the OWASP Board and Staff should respect and remember this. We have a
> gotomeeting on the OWASP Calendar on Friday May 26, 10am ET (USA NY) to
> discuss and document concerns, and will deliver to leadership's thoughtful
> consideration. All are welcome to participate and share their comments on
> the shared documents, links available on the calendar invitation. These
> problems are not caused any one staff person - they are a systematic
> failure and a cultural failure, most likely due to chronic lack of
> leadership and lack of community engagement / communication / feedback
> mechanisms.
> Sincerely,
> Bev
> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 7:00 PM, johanna curiel curiel <
> johanna.curiel at owasp.org> wrote:
>> Hi Bev,
>> We should definitely acknowledge that there are issues based on your
>> strong feedback to the staff and the entire organization. I feel your
>> frustration and clear you have expressed this clearly multiple times.
>> I just hope you bare in mind that OWASP is definitely far from perfect,
>> and yes, there are communication issues, especially when we consider a
>> staff having to handle a Global community, working remotely, trying to
>> please everyone. Also board members that have a fulltime jobs and have
>> taken the responsibility to lead a ship called OWASP and might be too
>> absorb in their issues.
>> I'm at appsec talking to the staff and trying to understand the issues
>> they are facing. Many people are clueless how much works takes to handle a
>> Global community across the globe and trying to be available 24x7.
>> Please, bear in mind that for some members of the staff like Tiffany,
>> this community is particularly new to them, especially, I think, she is
>>  just trying to get the work done and also with the pressure to have
>> guidelines ready.
>> I would like very much to have a call with you and try  to clarify the
>> issues you as part of the community are confronting.
>> Lets see how can we use that feedback to improve things and how can we
>> make sure that volunteers like you are aware of the work done by the staff
>> with realistic expectations on the actual situation.
>> We are just people trying to make the web a better place, but let's see
>> how can we work together to reach that goal.
>> Email me in private, would like very much to talk to you and see how can
>> we make improve the communication , but also everyone should be aware that
>> OWASP is not a corp and far from it.
>> Help us improve and use your experience to advise us how but also based
>> on the actual resources and real situation.
>> Best regards
>> Johanna
>> >> Sounds like OWASP Staff are revolting against local chapters and
>> making the OWASP Global staff the new "kings" of OWASP Chapters. Do you
>> think that this this appropriate?
>> >>There are many flaws. Also, staff, chapter leaders and board need some
>> training in user experience, member experience, and grassroots
>> communications outreach.
>> >>My biggest complaint is the fact that it was not put up for vote by
>> the community before being adopted. Also, that I was not able to comment on
>> the draft that you shared
>> >> I am also very disappointed in "bottlenecking" or creating
>> unnecessary, burdensome costly, wasteful bureaucracy when it is not needed,
>> or welcome. It is one thing to try to organize things, it is another to
>> make it harder for chapter leaders and project leaders.
>> >>You said that the draft was open for comments and *all* comments were
>> incorporated. I know that this is a false statement because I submitted
>> comments and they were not incorporated, in fact, they were completely
>> ignored. Where are these comments documented? I do not think that the
>> entire community was aware of this opportunity to comment. If they were, I
>> think that you would have heard more comments like mine, that we need to
>> develop an integrated local to global workflow for projects and chapter
>> memberships, sponsors, events and co-marketing arrangements, since it is
>> too much for staff to do on their own. Also, this document claims funding
>> options, and our chapter submitted a number of funding requests that were
>> also ignored. This bottlenecking is holding local chapters back, waiting on
>> staff, who often times do not come through for them, ignore them, and place
>> unrealistic responsibilities on them. This needs to change.
>> >>There is a serious lack of productivity, and performance. Plain and
>> simple. Staff and board are responsible. Period. Someone needs to state the
>> facts here. Local chapters are being limited, too. It hurts local and
>> global. Need to wake up and face the facts.
>> --
>> Johanna Curiel
>> OWASP Volunteer
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