[Owasp-leaders] Feedback

johanna curiel curiel johanna.curiel at owasp.org
Mon May 8 23:00:36 UTC 2017

Hi Bev,

We should definitely acknowledge that there are issues based on your strong
feedback to the staff and the entire organization. I feel your frustration
and clear you have expressed this clearly multiple times.

I just hope you bare in mind that OWASP is definitely far from perfect, and
yes, there are communication issues, especially when we consider a staff
having to handle a Global community, working remotely, trying to please
everyone. Also board members that have a fulltime jobs and have taken the
responsibility to lead a ship called OWASP and might be too absorb in their

I'm at appsec talking to the staff and trying to understand the issues they
are facing. Many people are clueless how much works takes to handle a
Global community across the globe and trying to be available 24x7.

Please, bear in mind that for some members of the staff like Tiffany, this
community is particularly new to them, especially, I think, she is  just
trying to get the work done and also with the pressure to have guidelines

I would like very much to have a call with you and try  to clarify the
issues you as part of the community are confronting.

Lets see how can we use that feedback to improve things and how can we make
sure that volunteers like you are aware of the work done by the staff with
realistic expectations on the actual situation.

We are just people trying to make the web a better place, but let's see how
can we work together to reach that goal.

Email me in private, would like very much to talk to you and see how can we
make improve the communication , but also everyone should be aware that
OWASP is not a corp and far from it.

Help us improve and use your experience to advise us how but also based on
the actual resources and real situation.

Best regards


>> Sounds like OWASP Staff are revolting against local chapters and making
the OWASP Global staff the new "kings" of OWASP Chapters. Do you think that
this this appropriate?

>>There are many flaws. Also, staff, chapter leaders and board need some
training in user experience, member experience, and grassroots
communications outreach.

>>My biggest complaint is the fact that it was not put up for vote by the
community before being adopted. Also, that I was not able to comment on the
draft that you shared

>> I am also very disappointed in "bottlenecking" or creating unnecessary,
burdensome costly, wasteful bureaucracy when it is not needed, or welcome.
It is one thing to try to organize things, it is another to make it harder
for chapter leaders and project leaders.

>>You said that the draft was open for comments and *all* comments were
incorporated. I know that this is a false statement because I submitted
comments and they were not incorporated, in fact, they were completely
ignored. Where are these comments documented? I do not think that the
entire community was aware of this opportunity to comment. If they were, I
think that you would have heard more comments like mine, that we need to
develop an integrated local to global workflow for projects and chapter
memberships, sponsors, events and co-marketing arrangements, since it is
too much for staff to do on their own. Also, this document claims funding
options, and our chapter submitted a number of funding requests that were
also ignored. This bottlenecking is holding local chapters back, waiting on
staff, who often times do not come through for them, ignore them, and place
unrealistic responsibilities on them. This needs to change.

>>There is a serious lack of productivity, and performance. Plain and
simple. Staff and board are responsible. Period. Someone needs to state the
facts here. Local chapters are being limited, too. It hurts local and
global. Need to wake up and face the facts.
Johanna Curiel
OWASP Volunteer
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