[Owasp-leaders] rough consensus & running code

Justin Ferguson justin.ferguson at owasp.org
Mon May 8 17:02:56 UTC 2017


Can there please be a detailed agenda for this?

I'm interested in joining/participating, but don't want to participate in
an airing of grievances towards the board/global staff, which is primarily
what it seems like is happening leading up to this call.

JF
OWASP Kansas City
Chapter Leader


On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:34 AM Bev Corwin <bev.corwin at owasp.org> wrote:

> OWASP Chapter Leaders Handbook Review (by OWASP Chapter Leaders & Members)
> Friday May 26, 2017 at 10am ET (USA NY)
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> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Bev Corwin <bev.corwin at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, According to the OWASP Chapter Leader Handbook Review Doodle
>> Poll, looks like Friday May 26, 10am ET is the best time for a gotomeeting.
>> Will set that up today and share with lists. Best wishes, Bev
>>
>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Bev Corwin <bev.corwin at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Andrew, we know that you tried, and appreciate that. It was a
>>> good exercise, regardless, even for the new ideas. We must do better in the
>>> future. Receiving budget requests is a sign that there are good people out
>>> there willing to help OWASP build value. We all know that this "myth" that
>>> the "centralized" global OWASP would like to support local chapter efforts
>>> - and that is part of the reasoning in limiting local chapters - but it
>>> doesn't really work. Need to build better workflows for incorporating local
>>> activities, including sponsors, projects, co-marketing activities,
>>> community building activities, memberships, and other value creating
>>> activities. OWASP global should be more focused on creating more member and
>>> community value overall, creating more revenue generating activities than
>>> just events and trainings, breaking down silos created by vendors,
>>> empowering chapter leaders and local chapters to build local community,
>>> memberships, and spend less time creating value and profits for vendors.
>>> OWASP is not a large corporation or a gov't agency. It does not need
>>> costly, burdensome red tape. It is a small non profit organization and
>>> needs to create value for members and the community, and to streamline
>>> administrative costs. For every dollar spent on admin, we should be asking:
>>> "Can this be done by a volunteer?" and "Does this create value for our
>>> members and community?". Every staff person should be engaging chapter
>>> leaders and volunteers to help them reduce their burden, not to increase it
>>> with non value creating activities. There need to be clear deliverables for
>>> staff with timelines with deadlines, performance metrics, and empowering
>>> chapter leaders and volunteers to build strong, vibrant chapters by
>>> engaging with their local communities with local sponsors, co-marketing
>>> agreements and building strong membership bases. Perpetuating this strategy
>>> of "strangling" local chapters and empowering "staff" vendors must be
>>> reversed. Not to mention the externalizing of OWASP IP and relationships,
>>> it damages the organization long term if perpetuated. More workflows that
>>> empower local chapter leaders and volunteers need to be implemented, and as
>>> a backup resilience strategies, every staff member and board member should
>>> have at least one or two "volunteers" who can do their job in the interim
>>> while the organization seeks their replacements, or if future budgets
>>> cannot sustain the current death spiral. Sincerely, Bev
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 2:06 AM, Sean Auriti <sean.auriti at owasp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you Andrew.  I hope the budget requests I submitted on January
>>>> 31st can be voted on during tomorrow's board meeting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 12:16 AM, Andrew van der Stock <
>>>> vanderaj at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The main thing to note here is that I think next year's budget
>>>>> discussions needs to kick off with fervour much earlier than we did last
>>>>> year. I tried (I really did) by talking about the 2017 budget in July,
>>>>> September, October's f2f, November, December and January's board meetings.
>>>>> But it just never really got much traction.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the problem with asking the community for input is that I
>>>>> received around a $1m of ad hoc ideas, but had no formal way of tracking
>>>>> them, so they sort of got lost. I will look into making a google form or
>>>>> similar this time around so we can track them better. We must manage to
>>>>> policy, and not to individual requests, so I will be looking at a way to
>>>>> bring this together for future years so there is transparency. However, the
>>>>> requests from the NY/NJ chapter alone exceeded this year's total spend by
>>>>> $380k. So we can do some of it, but without growing our membership and
>>>>> sponsorship opportunities, we can't do it all.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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Justin Ferguson
OWASP-Kansas City Chapter Leader
justin.ferguson at owasp.org
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