[Owasp-leaders] rough consensus & running code

Evin Hernandez evin.hernandez at owasp.org
Thu May 4 16:19:55 UTC 2017


I agree with Bev here 100% , Things should be done as a community and a
committee

On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 12:16 PM, Bev Corwin <bev.corwin at owasp.org> wrote:

> @Liam - Lets create a committee of members and chapter leaders for all
> owasp chapters, and I will give you a long list of the flaws.
>
> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Liam Smit <liam.smit at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Bev
>>
>> If you think there is a flaw then please point it out and offer a fix
>> (improvement) for it. If your suggested improvement is deemed good by the
>> OWASP community at large then it stands a chance of replacing the flaw.
>>
>> Please repeat this for the "many flaws".
>>
>> Many thanks and kind regards,
>>
>> Liam
>>
>> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 5:32 PM, Bev Corwin <bev.corwin at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like the Chapter Leader Handbook needs to be voted on by members.
>>> There are many flaws. Also, staff, chapter leaders and board need some
>>> training in user experience, member experience, and grassroots
>>> communications outreach. These top down methodologies and processes are
>>> contrary to OWASP values and core principles. They are being hijacked by
>>> staff to bottleneck and constrain chapter leaders, mostly to protect their
>>> jobs. Bottlenecking needs to be prohibited. Big problem at OWASP.
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Tiffany Long <tiffany.long at owasp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Tom and Bev!  It seems you are ahead of the curve.  This document
>>>> was set to be released to the community with the Ops Update Blog post
>>>> accompanied by the following text:
>>>>
>>>> Chapter Orientation:
>>>>> Since September all new chapters were requested to have an Orientation
>>>>> meeting via Gotomeeting.  Since then these meetings have been refined into
>>>>> a  series of standing one on one appointments for any Chapter Leaders
>>>>> starting a new chapter, any new chapter leaders who wish to join, and any
>>>>> current leaders who want to take a refresher.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So far reactions have been good.  Many experienced chapter leaders
>>>>> have expressed a wish for this when they got started and follow up emails
>>>>> with procedural questions have dropped from an average of 5 per new chapter
>>>>> to 10 total in the last 8 months.  We have also seen an uptick in new
>>>>> chapters using funds and getting multiple leaders on board.  All of these
>>>>> are indicators of early chapter health.  Board members, staff, and the
>>>>> community can read the draft outline of the orientation.  The document will
>>>>> be made public in the form of the Chapter FAQ in the next few weeks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It has long been noted that new chapter leaders tick the box that says
>>>> that they have read the Chapter Leader Handbook, but often do not
>>>> understand what help they can get from the foundation or how funding works.
>>>> This document is a draft outline of the most commonly asked questions about
>>>> being a chapter leader.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The orientation is divided into three parts, the first addresses how to
>>>> build a chapter, how to reach out to audiences and tactics that other
>>>> chapters have used to flourish. The second part covers our vendor
>>>> neutrality policy and other rules and privileges for chapter leaders.
>>>> Finally we discuss funding in-depth.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some conversations are expected to be had again when chapter leaders
>>>> are not overwhelmed with questions. In the outline you will see these
>>>> topics marked with statements like "reach out to me." Every point in this
>>>> orientation outline is simply a rehash from the Chapter Leader Handbook.
>>>>
>>>> Tiffany Long
>>>> Community Manager
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Bev Corwin <bev.corwin at owasp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> PS: Re: Document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uupqip9TiejURb
>>>>> znt_Dk6t1H--8foRJxcVQ2gdmUj-s/edit?ts=590a0fcc
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Bev Corwin <bev.corwin at owasp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Note that you cannot "edit" or "comment" on this document. The tone
>>>>>> is very *not* right for "consensus". In fact, it is authoritarian in tone
>>>>>> and intent. Sounds like OWASP Staff are revolting against local
>>>>>> chapters and making the OWASP Global staff the new "kings" of OWASP
>>>>>> Chapters. Do you think that this this appropriate?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bev
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Tom Brennan - OWASP <tomb at owasp.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @OWASP we reject kings, presidents and voting. we believe in rough
>>>>>>> consensus and running code
>>>>>>> <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/About_The_Open_Web_Application_Security_Project#Core_Values>,
>>>>>>> your attendance is requested to join the next global board meeting on May
>>>>>>> 9th
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Details:
>>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Board
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Join us share your ideas, concerns and suggestions in person or
>>>>>>> virtually
>>>>>>> <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_AppSec_Conference>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On behalf of the 2017 Board of Directors thank you for caring and
>>>>>>> sharing.
>>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/About_The_Open_Web_Applicati
>>>>>>> on_Security_Project#2017_Elected_by_Membership.2C_Global_Boa
>>>>>>> rd_Members
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom Brennan
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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Thank You,
Evin Hernandez
Owasp NY/NJ VP / Chapter Leader
evin.hernandez at owasp.org
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