[Owasp-leaders] rough consensus & running code

Bev Corwin bev.corwin at owasp.org
Thu May 4 15:34:02 UTC 2017

We need a committee of members to re-visit and re-write the Chapter Leader
Handbook according to OWASP values and principles.

On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Bev Corwin <bev.corwin at owasp.org> wrote:

> Sounds like the Chapter Leader Handbook needs to be voted on by members.
> There are many flaws. Also, staff, chapter leaders and board need some
> training in user experience, member experience, and grassroots
> communications outreach. These top down methodologies and processes are
> contrary to OWASP values and core principles. They are being hijacked by
> staff to bottleneck and constrain chapter leaders, mostly to protect their
> jobs. Bottlenecking needs to be prohibited. Big problem at OWASP.
> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Tiffany Long <tiffany.long at owasp.org>
> wrote:
>> Hey Tom and Bev!  It seems you are ahead of the curve.  This document was
>> set to be released to the community with the Ops Update Blog post
>> accompanied by the following text:
>> Chapter Orientation:
>>> Since September all new chapters were requested to have an Orientation
>>> meeting via Gotomeeting.  Since then these meetings have been refined into
>>> a  series of standing one on one appointments for any Chapter Leaders
>>> starting a new chapter, any new chapter leaders who wish to join, and any
>>> current leaders who want to take a refresher.
>>> So far reactions have been good.  Many experienced chapter leaders have
>>> expressed a wish for this when they got started and follow up emails with
>>> procedural questions have dropped from an average of 5 per new chapter to
>>> 10 total in the last 8 months.  We have also seen an uptick in new chapters
>>> using funds and getting multiple leaders on board.  All of these are
>>> indicators of early chapter health.  Board members, staff, and the
>>> community can read the draft outline of the orientation.  The document will
>>> be made public in the form of the Chapter FAQ in the next few weeks.
>> It has long been noted that new chapter leaders tick the box that says
>> that they have read the Chapter Leader Handbook, but often do not
>> understand what help they can get from the foundation or how funding works.
>> This document is a draft outline of the most commonly asked questions about
>> being a chapter leader.
>> The orientation is divided into three parts, the first addresses how to
>> build a chapter, how to reach out to audiences and tactics that other
>> chapters have used to flourish. The second part covers our vendor
>> neutrality policy and other rules and privileges for chapter leaders.
>> Finally we discuss funding in-depth.
>> Some conversations are expected to be had again when chapter leaders are
>> not overwhelmed with questions. In the outline you will see these topics
>> marked with statements like "reach out to me." Every point in this
>> orientation outline is simply a rehash from the Chapter Leader Handbook.
>> Tiffany Long
>> Community Manager
>> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Bev Corwin <bev.corwin at owasp.org> wrote:
>>> PS: Re: Document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uupqip9TiejURb
>>> znt_Dk6t1H--8foRJxcVQ2gdmUj-s/edit?ts=590a0fcc
>>> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Bev Corwin <bev.corwin at owasp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Note that you cannot "edit" or "comment" on this document. The tone is
>>>> very *not* right for "consensus". In fact, it is authoritarian in tone and
>>>> intent. Sounds like OWASP Staff are revolting against local chapters
>>>> and making the OWASP Global staff the new "kings" of OWASP Chapters. Do you
>>>> think that this this appropriate?
>>>> Bev
>>>> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Tom Brennan - OWASP <tomb at owasp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> @OWASP we reject kings, presidents and voting. we believe in rough
>>>>> consensus and running code
>>>>> <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/About_The_Open_Web_Application_Security_Project#Core_Values>,
>>>>> your attendance is requested to join the next global board meeting on May
>>>>> 9th
>>>>> Details:
>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Board
>>>>> Join us share your ideas, concerns and suggestions in person or
>>>>> virtually
>>>>> <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_AppSec_Conference>
>>>>> On behalf of the 2017 Board of Directors thank you for caring and
>>>>> sharing.
>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/About_The_Open_Web_Applicati
>>>>> on_Security_Project#2017_Elected_by_Membership.2C_Global_Board_Members
>>>>> Tom Brennan
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