[Owasp-leaders] rough consensus & running code

Bev Corwin bev.corwin at owasp.org
Thu May 4 15:32:45 UTC 2017

Sounds like the Chapter Leader Handbook needs to be voted on by members.
There are many flaws. Also, staff, chapter leaders and board need some
training in user experience, member experience, and grassroots
communications outreach. These top down methodologies and processes are
contrary to OWASP values and core principles. They are being hijacked by
staff to bottleneck and constrain chapter leaders, mostly to protect their
jobs. Bottlenecking needs to be prohibited. Big problem at OWASP.

On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Tiffany Long <tiffany.long at owasp.org>

> Hey Tom and Bev!  It seems you are ahead of the curve.  This document was
> set to be released to the community with the Ops Update Blog post
> accompanied by the following text:
> Chapter Orientation:
>> Since September all new chapters were requested to have an Orientation
>> meeting via Gotomeeting.  Since then these meetings have been refined into
>> a  series of standing one on one appointments for any Chapter Leaders
>> starting a new chapter, any new chapter leaders who wish to join, and any
>> current leaders who want to take a refresher.
>> So far reactions have been good.  Many experienced chapter leaders have
>> expressed a wish for this when they got started and follow up emails with
>> procedural questions have dropped from an average of 5 per new chapter to
>> 10 total in the last 8 months.  We have also seen an uptick in new chapters
>> using funds and getting multiple leaders on board.  All of these are
>> indicators of early chapter health.  Board members, staff, and the
>> community can read the draft outline of the orientation.  The document will
>> be made public in the form of the Chapter FAQ in the next few weeks.
> It has long been noted that new chapter leaders tick the box that says
> that they have read the Chapter Leader Handbook, but often do not
> understand what help they can get from the foundation or how funding works.
> This document is a draft outline of the most commonly asked questions about
> being a chapter leader.
> The orientation is divided into three parts, the first addresses how to
> build a chapter, how to reach out to audiences and tactics that other
> chapters have used to flourish. The second part covers our vendor
> neutrality policy and other rules and privileges for chapter leaders.
> Finally we discuss funding in-depth.
> Some conversations are expected to be had again when chapter leaders are
> not overwhelmed with questions. In the outline you will see these topics
> marked with statements like "reach out to me." Every point in this
> orientation outline is simply a rehash from the Chapter Leader Handbook.
> Tiffany Long
> Community Manager
> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Bev Corwin <bev.corwin at owasp.org> wrote:
>> PS: Re: Document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uupqip9TiejURb
>> znt_Dk6t1H--8foRJxcVQ2gdmUj-s/edit?ts=590a0fcc
>> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Bev Corwin <bev.corwin at owasp.org> wrote:
>>> Note that you cannot "edit" or "comment" on this document. The tone is
>>> very *not* right for "consensus". In fact, it is authoritarian in tone and
>>> intent. Sounds like OWASP Staff are revolting against local chapters
>>> and making the OWASP Global staff the new "kings" of OWASP Chapters. Do you
>>> think that this this appropriate?
>>> Bev
>>> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Tom Brennan - OWASP <tomb at owasp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> @OWASP we reject kings, presidents and voting. we believe in rough
>>>> consensus and running code
>>>> <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/About_The_Open_Web_Application_Security_Project#Core_Values>,
>>>> your attendance is requested to join the next global board meeting on May
>>>> 9th
>>>> Details:
>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Board
>>>> Join us share your ideas, concerns and suggestions in person or
>>>> virtually
>>>> <https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_AppSec_Conference>
>>>> On behalf of the 2017 Board of Directors thank you for caring and
>>>> sharing.
>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/About_The_Open_Web_Applicati
>>>> on_Security_Project#2017_Elected_by_Membership.2C_Global_Board_Members
>>>> Tom Brennan
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