[Owasp-leaders] Mozilla speaks up. Should OWASP?

Haral Tsitsivas haral.tsitsivas at owasp.org
Tue Jan 31 22:48:59 UTC 2017


For every new policy we just do away with two existing policies...

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Bev Corwin <bev.corwin at owasp.org> wrote:

> The 501(c) 3 already states this as a regulation. I doubt there is need
> for a policy. Just need to enforce this.
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Rich Vázquez <rich.vazquez at owasp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> My warning for this is that there have been and will be policies that
>> decrease Web application security.
>>
>> Are we not to discuss policy issues affected Web security at meetings?
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017, 3:49 PM Larry Conklin <larry.conklin at owasp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So lets make this a meaningful discussion. Create a policy that says in
>>> any form political parody is forbidden at any OWASP events, or material. I
>>> am willing to help with this.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Bev Corwin <bev.corwin at owasp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 I like the idea of declaring OWASP a political free zone.
>>>
>>> Bev
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Larry Conklin <larry.conklin at owasp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> When I started this thread I really wanted to hear what others thought.
>>> And I did. But Everyone please listen. It appears I struck a sore point
>>> about last years conference concerning the tee-shirts. Take-a-way here
>>> should be even in jest, even if sanction by a lawyer, the best bet is don't
>>> when concerning political parody in any forms.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Colin Watson <colin.watson at owasp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > The shirts represented both candidates, advocated no policy, and were
>>> parody.
>>>
>>> So political parody is acceptable under the rules posted above?
>>>
>>> I think I only saw a photo of one type of political parody shirt. Could
>>> you share photos of all types please? I am trying to understand what the
>>> boundaries are.
>>>
>>> Colin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 31 January 2017 at 19:19, Tiffany Long <tiffany.long at owasp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Donald Trump filed his candidacy for 2020, he is officially a candidate
>>> again.  At this point any action must be run through a lawyer.  Any
>>> activities surrounding advocacy must be generated by the foundation (at the
>>> behest of the volunteers; with agreement from the board), must be directly
>>> related to the OWASP mission, and must not seek to single out any candidate
>>> specifically or by virtue of newly targeting a policy associated with that
>>> candidate.
>>>
>>> The shirts represented both candidates, advocated no policy, and were
>>> parody.  Therefore they were not in violation.
>>>
>>> I want to be clear, I am not splashing cold water on any effort for
>>> volunteers to ask the organization to take any particular stance.  I just
>>> want to illuminate the restrictions which any action is bound by.
>>>
>>> I have a feeling this will come up a lot and in many countries with
>>> issues such as net neutrality, security research, etcetera and want our
>>> community to understand where we need to ask for legal guidance and where
>>> we can act as a multinational organization.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tiffany Long
>>> Community Manager
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Mike McCabe <mccabe615 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Tiffany or Laura, can chime in but the t-shirts were run past a lawyer
>>> and since they neither endorsed a candidate or showed preference to either
>>> they were deemed 'ok'.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Haral Tsitsivas <
>>> haral.tsitsivas at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> The posted material seems to be related to campaigns and candidates.
>>> POTUS 45 is already elected, so saying anything is taking a position on
>>> policy...
>>> What are the rules for that?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Tony Turner <tony.turner at owasp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't think that is technically true. You cannot directly support or
>>> oppose a campaign but voter education IS allowed
>>>
>>> https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organiz
>>> ations/the-restriction-of-political-campaign-interventio
>>> n-by-section-501-c-3-tax-exempt-organizations
>>>
>>> and also from a lobbyist standpoint, public education is also permitted
>>> but it starts getting hairy when you start asking people to contact their
>>> legal representatives
>>>
>>> https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/lobbying
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Tiffany Long <tiffany.long at owasp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Arturo,
>>>
>>> Due to domestic and international laws governing non-profits and our
>>> 501(c)(3) status in the US Chapters are not allowed to advocate
>>> political or policy positions nor can they sign contracts for the
>>> foundation.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Tiffany
>>>
>>> Tiffany Long
>>> Community Manager
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman <
>>> buanzo at buanzo.com.ar> wrote:
>>>
>>> If I may drop an opinion, each OWASP *US* Chapter should be free to
>>> speak out, if the chapter's leadership so vote/decide/etc it. And OWASP
>>> should not need to declare that chapters are free to speak up, I think.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Tony Turner <tony.turner at owasp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I personally think we should avoid political activity unless it impacts
>>> our mission. If there are US based activities in support of the OWASP
>>> mission that are hampered by the ban then we should speak up, but otherwise
>>> stay out of it. For instance, if 90 days extends longer into the year and
>>> prevents foreign attendees from coming to AppSecUSA (or other activities,
>>> but I'm laser focused on Orlando right now) then that creates impact for
>>> our organization and our mission as a whole. That being said, I think there
>>> are ways to support our colleagues abroad without condemning the current US
>>> political leadership.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Larry Conklin <larry.conklin at owasp.org
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Personally I am torn here. Yes I want America safe. However I don't
>>> really see the value in a 90 days travel band is going to make America any
>>> safer.  Mozilla has spoken up against it. They are in many ways a community
>>> like ours. Should OWASP also go on record for support or against the travel
>>> ban?
>>>
>>>
>>> *This past weekend the Trump Administration signed an executive order to
>>> temporarily suspend travel into the United States for individuals from
>>> Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen and Libya. This is troubling for
>>> us as a community on many levels.*
>>>
>>> *Mozilla is a global community of people sharing ideas and working
>>> together. We believe in opportunity for all, freedom of ideas, and that
>>> multiculturalism is crucial to building a true global community. This is
>>> why Mozilla has taken a public position against the US immigration ban. *
>>>
>>>
>>> https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/01/28/us-immigration-ban/
>>>
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>>> OWASP Orlando Chapter Founder/Co-Leader
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