[Owasp-leaders] Mozilla speaks up. Should OWASP?

Bev Corwin bev.corwin at owasp.org
Tue Jan 31 21:55:34 UTC 2017


The 501(c) 3 already states this as a regulation. I doubt there is need for
a policy. Just need to enforce this.

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Rich Vázquez <rich.vazquez at owasp.org>
wrote:

> My warning for this is that there have been and will be policies that
> decrease Web application security.
>
> Are we not to discuss policy issues affected Web security at meetings?
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017, 3:49 PM Larry Conklin <larry.conklin at owasp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> So lets make this a meaningful discussion. Create a policy that says in
>> any form political parody is forbidden at any OWASP events, or material. I
>> am willing to help with this.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Bev Corwin <bev.corwin at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>> +1 I like the idea of declaring OWASP a political free zone.
>>
>> Bev
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Larry Conklin <larry.conklin at owasp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> When I started this thread I really wanted to hear what others thought.
>> And I did. But Everyone please listen. It appears I struck a sore point
>> about last years conference concerning the tee-shirts. Take-a-way here
>> should be even in jest, even if sanction by a lawyer, the best bet is don't
>> when concerning political parody in any forms.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Colin Watson <colin.watson at owasp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > The shirts represented both candidates, advocated no policy, and were
>> parody.
>>
>> So political parody is acceptable under the rules posted above?
>>
>> I think I only saw a photo of one type of political parody shirt. Could
>> you share photos of all types please? I am trying to understand what the
>> boundaries are.
>>
>> Colin
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31 January 2017 at 19:19, Tiffany Long <tiffany.long at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>> Donald Trump filed his candidacy for 2020, he is officially a candidate
>> again.  At this point any action must be run through a lawyer.  Any
>> activities surrounding advocacy must be generated by the foundation (at the
>> behest of the volunteers; with agreement from the board), must be directly
>> related to the OWASP mission, and must not seek to single out any candidate
>> specifically or by virtue of newly targeting a policy associated with that
>> candidate.
>>
>> The shirts represented both candidates, advocated no policy, and were
>> parody.  Therefore they were not in violation.
>>
>> I want to be clear, I am not splashing cold water on any effort for
>> volunteers to ask the organization to take any particular stance.  I just
>> want to illuminate the restrictions which any action is bound by.
>>
>> I have a feeling this will come up a lot and in many countries with
>> issues such as net neutrality, security research, etcetera and want our
>> community to understand where we need to ask for legal guidance and where
>> we can act as a multinational organization.
>>
>>
>> Tiffany Long
>> Community Manager
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Mike McCabe <mccabe615 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Tiffany or Laura, can chime in but the t-shirts were run past a lawyer
>> and since they neither endorsed a candidate or showed preference to either
>> they were deemed 'ok'.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Haral Tsitsivas <
>> haral.tsitsivas at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>> The posted material seems to be related to campaigns and candidates.
>> POTUS 45 is already elected, so saying anything is taking a position on
>> policy...
>> What are the rules for that?
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Tony Turner <tony.turner at owasp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't think that is technically true. You cannot directly support or
>> oppose a campaign but voter education IS allowed
>>
>> https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-
>> organizations/the-restriction-of-political-campaign-
>> intervention-by-section-501-c-3-tax-exempt-organizations
>>
>> and also from a lobbyist standpoint, public education is also permitted
>> but it starts getting hairy when you start asking people to contact their
>> legal representatives
>>
>> https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/lobbying
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Tiffany Long <tiffany.long at owasp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Arturo,
>>
>> Due to domestic and international laws governing non-profits and our
>> 501(c)(3) status in the US Chapters are not allowed to advocate
>> political or policy positions nor can they sign contracts for the
>> foundation.
>>
>> Best,
>> Tiffany
>>
>> Tiffany Long
>> Community Manager
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman <
>> buanzo at buanzo.com.ar> wrote:
>>
>> If I may drop an opinion, each OWASP *US* Chapter should be free to speak
>> out, if the chapter's leadership so vote/decide/etc it. And OWASP should
>> not need to declare that chapters are free to speak up, I think.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Tony Turner <tony.turner at owasp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I personally think we should avoid political activity unless it impacts
>> our mission. If there are US based activities in support of the OWASP
>> mission that are hampered by the ban then we should speak up, but otherwise
>> stay out of it. For instance, if 90 days extends longer into the year and
>> prevents foreign attendees from coming to AppSecUSA (or other activities,
>> but I'm laser focused on Orlando right now) then that creates impact for
>> our organization and our mission as a whole. That being said, I think there
>> are ways to support our colleagues abroad without condemning the current US
>> political leadership.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Larry Conklin <larry.conklin at owasp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Personally I am torn here. Yes I want America safe. However I don't
>> really see the value in a 90 days travel band is going to make America any
>> safer.  Mozilla has spoken up against it. They are in many ways a community
>> like ours. Should OWASP also go on record for support or against the travel
>> ban?
>>
>>
>> *This past weekend the Trump Administration signed an executive order to
>> temporarily suspend travel into the United States for individuals from
>> Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen and Libya. This is troubling for
>> us as a community on many levels.*
>>
>> *Mozilla is a global community of people sharing ideas and working
>> together. We believe in opportunity for all, freedom of ideas, and that
>> multiculturalism is crucial to building a true global community. This is
>> why Mozilla has taken a public position against the US immigration ban. *
>>
>>
>> https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/01/28/us-immigration-ban/
>>
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