[Owasp-leaders] Mozilla speaks up. Should OWASP?

Larry Conklin larry.conklin at owasp.org
Tue Jan 31 21:48:57 UTC 2017


So lets make this a meaningful discussion. Create a policy that says in any
form political parody is forbidden at any OWASP events, or material. I am
willing to help with this.

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Bev Corwin <bev.corwin at owasp.org> wrote:

> +1 I like the idea of declaring OWASP a political free zone.
>
> Bev
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Larry Conklin <larry.conklin at owasp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> When I started this thread I really wanted to hear what others thought.
>> And I did. But Everyone please listen. It appears I struck a sore point
>> about last years conference concerning the tee-shirts. Take-a-way here
>> should be even in jest, even if sanction by a lawyer, the best bet is don't
>> when concerning political parody in any forms.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Colin Watson <colin.watson at owasp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> > The shirts represented both candidates, advocated no policy, and were
>>> parody.
>>>
>>> So political parody is acceptable under the rules posted above?
>>>
>>> I think I only saw a photo of one type of political parody shirt. Could
>>> you share photos of all types please? I am trying to understand what the
>>> boundaries are.
>>>
>>> Colin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 31 January 2017 at 19:19, Tiffany Long <tiffany.long at owasp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Donald Trump filed his candidacy for 2020, he is officially a candidate
>>>> again.  At this point any action must be run through a lawyer.  Any
>>>> activities surrounding advocacy must be generated by the foundation (at the
>>>> behest of the volunteers; with agreement from the board), must be directly
>>>> related to the OWASP mission, and must not seek to single out any candidate
>>>> specifically or by virtue of newly targeting a policy associated with that
>>>> candidate.
>>>>
>>>> The shirts represented both candidates, advocated no policy, and were
>>>> parody.  Therefore they were not in violation.
>>>>
>>>> I want to be clear, I am not splashing cold water on any effort for
>>>> volunteers to ask the organization to take any particular stance.  I just
>>>> want to illuminate the restrictions which any action is bound by.
>>>>
>>>> I have a feeling this will come up a lot and in many countries with
>>>> issues such as net neutrality, security research, etcetera and want our
>>>> community to understand where we need to ask for legal guidance and where
>>>> we can act as a multinational organization.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tiffany Long
>>>> Community Manager
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Mike McCabe <mccabe615 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tiffany or Laura, can chime in but the t-shirts were run past a lawyer
>>>>> and since they neither endorsed a candidate or showed preference to either
>>>>> they were deemed 'ok'.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Haral Tsitsivas <
>>>>> haral.tsitsivas at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The posted material seems to be related to campaigns and candidates.
>>>>>> POTUS 45 is already elected, so saying anything is taking a position
>>>>>> on policy...
>>>>>> What are the rules for that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Tony Turner <tony.turner at owasp.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think that is technically true. You cannot directly support
>>>>>>> or oppose a campaign but voter education IS allowed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organiz
>>>>>>> ations/the-restriction-of-political-campaign-intervention-by
>>>>>>> -section-501-c-3-tax-exempt-organizations
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and also from a lobbyist standpoint, public education is also
>>>>>>> permitted but it starts getting hairy when you start asking people to
>>>>>>> contact their legal representatives
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/lobbying
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Tiffany Long <
>>>>>>> tiffany.long at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Arturo,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Due to domestic and international laws governing non-profits and
>>>>>>>> our 501(c)(3) status in the US Chapters are not allowed to
>>>>>>>> advocate political or policy positions nor can they sign contracts for the
>>>>>>>> foundation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> Tiffany
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tiffany Long
>>>>>>>> Community Manager
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman <
>>>>>>>> buanzo at buanzo.com.ar> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I may drop an opinion, each OWASP *US* Chapter should be free
>>>>>>>>> to speak out, if the chapter's leadership so vote/decide/etc it. And OWASP
>>>>>>>>> should not need to declare that chapters are free to speak up, I think.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Tony Turner <
>>>>>>>>> tony.turner at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I personally think we should avoid political activity unless it
>>>>>>>>>> impacts our mission. If there are US based activities in support of the
>>>>>>>>>> OWASP mission that are hampered by the ban then we should speak up, but
>>>>>>>>>> otherwise stay out of it. For instance, if 90 days extends longer into the
>>>>>>>>>> year and prevents foreign attendees from coming to AppSecUSA (or other
>>>>>>>>>> activities, but I'm laser focused on Orlando right now) then that creates
>>>>>>>>>> impact for our organization and our mission as a whole. That being said, I
>>>>>>>>>> think there are ways to support our colleagues abroad without condemning
>>>>>>>>>> the current US political leadership.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Larry Conklin <
>>>>>>>>>> larry.conklin at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Personally I am torn here. Yes I want America safe. However I
>>>>>>>>>>> don't really see the value in a 90 days travel band is going to make
>>>>>>>>>>> America any safer.  Mozilla has spoken up against it. They are in many ways
>>>>>>>>>>> a community like ours. Should OWASP also go on record for support or
>>>>>>>>>>> against the travel ban?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *This past weekend the Trump Administration signed an executive
>>>>>>>>>>> order to temporarily suspend travel into the United States for individuals
>>>>>>>>>>> from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen and Libya. This is troubling
>>>>>>>>>>> for us as a community on many levels.*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Mozilla is a global community of people sharing ideas and
>>>>>>>>>>> working together. We believe in opportunity for all, freedom of ideas, and
>>>>>>>>>>> that multiculturalism is crucial to building a true global community. This
>>>>>>>>>>> is why Mozilla has taken a public position against the US immigration ban. *
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/01/28/us-immigration-ban/
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Tony Turner
>>>>>>>>>> OWASP Orlando Chapter Founder/Co-Leader
>>>>>>>>>> WAFEC Project Leader
>>>>>>>>>> STING Game Project Leader
>>>>>>>>>> tony.turner at owasp.org
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Orlando
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Tony Turner
>>>>>>> OWASP Orlando Chapter Founder/Co-Leader
>>>>>>> WAFEC Project Leader
>>>>>>> STING Game Project Leader
>>>>>>> tony.turner at owasp.org
>>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Orlando
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