[Owasp-leaders] Mozilla speaks up. Should OWASP?

Bev Corwin bev.corwin at owasp.org
Tue Jan 31 21:13:22 UTC 2017


+1 I like the idea of declaring OWASP a political free zone.

Bev


On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Larry Conklin <larry.conklin at owasp.org>
wrote:

> When I started this thread I really wanted to hear what others thought.
> And I did. But Everyone please listen. It appears I struck a sore point
> about last years conference concerning the tee-shirts. Take-a-way here
> should be even in jest, even if sanction by a lawyer, the best bet is don't
> when concerning political parody in any forms.
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Colin Watson <colin.watson at owasp.org>
> wrote:
>
>> > The shirts represented both candidates, advocated no policy, and were
>> parody.
>>
>> So political parody is acceptable under the rules posted above?
>>
>> I think I only saw a photo of one type of political parody shirt. Could
>> you share photos of all types please? I am trying to understand what the
>> boundaries are.
>>
>> Colin
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31 January 2017 at 19:19, Tiffany Long <tiffany.long at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Donald Trump filed his candidacy for 2020, he is officially a candidate
>>> again.  At this point any action must be run through a lawyer.  Any
>>> activities surrounding advocacy must be generated by the foundation (at the
>>> behest of the volunteers; with agreement from the board), must be directly
>>> related to the OWASP mission, and must not seek to single out any candidate
>>> specifically or by virtue of newly targeting a policy associated with that
>>> candidate.
>>>
>>> The shirts represented both candidates, advocated no policy, and were
>>> parody.  Therefore they were not in violation.
>>>
>>> I want to be clear, I am not splashing cold water on any effort for
>>> volunteers to ask the organization to take any particular stance.  I just
>>> want to illuminate the restrictions which any action is bound by.
>>>
>>> I have a feeling this will come up a lot and in many countries with
>>> issues such as net neutrality, security research, etcetera and want our
>>> community to understand where we need to ask for legal guidance and where
>>> we can act as a multinational organization.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tiffany Long
>>> Community Manager
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Mike McCabe <mccabe615 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tiffany or Laura, can chime in but the t-shirts were run past a lawyer
>>>> and since they neither endorsed a candidate or showed preference to either
>>>> they were deemed 'ok'.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Haral Tsitsivas <
>>>> haral.tsitsivas at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The posted material seems to be related to campaigns and candidates.
>>>>> POTUS 45 is already elected, so saying anything is taking a position
>>>>> on policy...
>>>>> What are the rules for that?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Tony Turner <tony.turner at owasp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think that is technically true. You cannot directly support
>>>>>> or oppose a campaign but voter education IS allowed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organiz
>>>>>> ations/the-restriction-of-political-campaign-intervention-by
>>>>>> -section-501-c-3-tax-exempt-organizations
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and also from a lobbyist standpoint, public education is also
>>>>>> permitted but it starts getting hairy when you start asking people to
>>>>>> contact their legal representatives
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/lobbying
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Tiffany Long <tiffany.long at owasp.org
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Arturo,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Due to domestic and international laws governing non-profits and our
>>>>>>> 501(c)(3) status in the US Chapters are not allowed to advocate
>>>>>>> political or policy positions nor can they sign contracts for the
>>>>>>> foundation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Tiffany
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tiffany Long
>>>>>>> Community Manager
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman <
>>>>>>> buanzo at buanzo.com.ar> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I may drop an opinion, each OWASP *US* Chapter should be free to
>>>>>>>> speak out, if the chapter's leadership so vote/decide/etc it. And OWASP
>>>>>>>> should not need to declare that chapters are free to speak up, I think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Tony Turner <tony.turner at owasp.org
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I personally think we should avoid political activity unless it
>>>>>>>>> impacts our mission. If there are US based activities in support of the
>>>>>>>>> OWASP mission that are hampered by the ban then we should speak up, but
>>>>>>>>> otherwise stay out of it. For instance, if 90 days extends longer into the
>>>>>>>>> year and prevents foreign attendees from coming to AppSecUSA (or other
>>>>>>>>> activities, but I'm laser focused on Orlando right now) then that creates
>>>>>>>>> impact for our organization and our mission as a whole. That being said, I
>>>>>>>>> think there are ways to support our colleagues abroad without condemning
>>>>>>>>> the current US political leadership.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Larry Conklin <
>>>>>>>>> larry.conklin at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Personally I am torn here. Yes I want America safe. However I
>>>>>>>>>> don't really see the value in a 90 days travel band is going to make
>>>>>>>>>> America any safer.  Mozilla has spoken up against it. They are in many ways
>>>>>>>>>> a community like ours. Should OWASP also go on record for support or
>>>>>>>>>> against the travel ban?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *This past weekend the Trump Administration signed an executive
>>>>>>>>>> order to temporarily suspend travel into the United States for individuals
>>>>>>>>>> from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen and Libya. This is troubling
>>>>>>>>>> for us as a community on many levels.*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Mozilla is a global community of people sharing ideas and
>>>>>>>>>> working together. We believe in opportunity for all, freedom of ideas, and
>>>>>>>>>> that multiculturalism is crucial to building a true global community. This
>>>>>>>>>> is why Mozilla has taken a public position against the US immigration ban. *
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/01/28/us-immigration-ban/
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Tony Turner
>>>>>>>>> OWASP Orlando Chapter Founder/Co-Leader
>>>>>>>>> WAFEC Project Leader
>>>>>>>>> STING Game Project Leader
>>>>>>>>> tony.turner at owasp.org
>>>>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Orlando
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Tony Turner
>>>>>> OWASP Orlando Chapter Founder/Co-Leader
>>>>>> WAFEC Project Leader
>>>>>> STING Game Project Leader
>>>>>> tony.turner at owasp.org
>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Orlando
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