[Owasp-leaders] Mozilla speaks up. Should OWASP?

Haral Tsitsivas haral.tsitsivas at owasp.org
Tue Jan 31 19:25:29 UTC 2017


Donald Trump may be a candidate for 2020, and however hilarious that is,
no-one is talking about his candidacy... The discussion is about policy!
Of course any statement should be vetted with legal...

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Tiffany Long <tiffany.long at owasp.org>
wrote:

> Donald Trump filed his candidacy for 2020, he is officially a candidate
> again.  At this point any action must be run through a lawyer.  Any
> activities surrounding advocacy must be generated by the foundation (at the
> behest of the volunteers; with agreement from the board), must be directly
> related to the OWASP mission, and must not seek to single out any candidate
> specifically or by virtue of newly targeting a policy associated with that
> candidate.
>
> The shirts represented both candidates, advocated no policy, and were
> parody.  Therefore they were not in violation.
>
> I want to be clear, I am not splashing cold water on any effort for
> volunteers to ask the organization to take any particular stance.  I just
> want to illuminate the restrictions which any action is bound by.
>
> I have a feeling this will come up a lot and in many countries with issues
> such as net neutrality, security research, etcetera and want our community
> to understand where we need to ask for legal guidance and where we can act
> as a multinational organization.
>
>
> Tiffany Long
> Community Manager
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Mike McCabe <mccabe615 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Tiffany or Laura, can chime in but the t-shirts were run past a lawyer
>> and since they neither endorsed a candidate or showed preference to either
>> they were deemed 'ok'.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Haral Tsitsivas <
>> haral.tsitsivas at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> The posted material seems to be related to campaigns and candidates.
>>> POTUS 45 is already elected, so saying anything is taking a position on
>>> policy...
>>> What are the rules for that?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Tony Turner <tony.turner at owasp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't think that is technically true. You cannot directly support or
>>>> oppose a campaign but voter education IS allowed
>>>>
>>>> https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organiz
>>>> ations/the-restriction-of-political-campaign-intervention-by
>>>> -section-501-c-3-tax-exempt-organizations
>>>>
>>>> and also from a lobbyist standpoint, public education is also permitted
>>>> but it starts getting hairy when you start asking people to contact their
>>>> legal representatives
>>>>
>>>> https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/lobbying
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Tiffany Long <tiffany.long at owasp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Arturo,
>>>>>
>>>>> Due to domestic and international laws governing non-profits and our
>>>>> 501(c)(3) status in the US Chapters are not allowed to advocate
>>>>> political or policy positions nor can they sign contracts for the
>>>>> foundation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Tiffany
>>>>>
>>>>> Tiffany Long
>>>>> Community Manager
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman <
>>>>> buanzo at buanzo.com.ar> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If I may drop an opinion, each OWASP *US* Chapter should be free to
>>>>>> speak out, if the chapter's leadership so vote/decide/etc it. And OWASP
>>>>>> should not need to declare that chapters are free to speak up, I think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Tony Turner <tony.turner at owasp.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I personally think we should avoid political activity unless it
>>>>>>> impacts our mission. If there are US based activities in support of the
>>>>>>> OWASP mission that are hampered by the ban then we should speak up, but
>>>>>>> otherwise stay out of it. For instance, if 90 days extends longer into the
>>>>>>> year and prevents foreign attendees from coming to AppSecUSA (or other
>>>>>>> activities, but I'm laser focused on Orlando right now) then that creates
>>>>>>> impact for our organization and our mission as a whole. That being said, I
>>>>>>> think there are ways to support our colleagues abroad without condemning
>>>>>>> the current US political leadership.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Larry Conklin <
>>>>>>> larry.conklin at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Personally I am torn here. Yes I want America safe. However I don't
>>>>>>>> really see the value in a 90 days travel band is going to make America any
>>>>>>>> safer.  Mozilla has spoken up against it. They are in many ways a community
>>>>>>>> like ours. Should OWASP also go on record for support or against the travel
>>>>>>>> ban?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *This past weekend the Trump Administration signed an executive
>>>>>>>> order to temporarily suspend travel into the United States for individuals
>>>>>>>> from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen and Libya. This is troubling
>>>>>>>> for us as a community on many levels.*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Mozilla is a global community of people sharing ideas and working
>>>>>>>> together. We believe in opportunity for all, freedom of ideas, and that
>>>>>>>> multiculturalism is crucial to building a true global community. This is
>>>>>>>> why Mozilla has taken a public position against the US immigration ban. *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/01/28/us-immigration-ban/
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Tony Turner
>>>>>>> OWASP Orlando Chapter Founder/Co-Leader
>>>>>>> WAFEC Project Leader
>>>>>>> STING Game Project Leader
>>>>>>> tony.turner at owasp.org
>>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Orlando
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>>>>
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>>>> Tony Turner
>>>> OWASP Orlando Chapter Founder/Co-Leader
>>>> WAFEC Project Leader
>>>> STING Game Project Leader
>>>> tony.turner at owasp.org
>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Orlando
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