[Owasp-leaders] Meetup.com goes Deep Politcal

psiinon psiinon at gmail.com
Thu Feb 16 18:23:00 UTC 2017


Aaaaand this is the most active discussion on this list for months.
If only we had this amount of passion about appsec :P

On 16 Feb 2017 5:47 p.m., "Ralph Durkee (OWASP)" <Ralph.Durkee at owasp.org>
wrote:

> I think most would agree that OWASP should avoid linking to political
> websites when possible.
>
> If a website promoted joining either the DNC or RNC on it's home page or
> via emails, then I think most would agree it's political.
>
> If a website promotes joining the #resist movement or the tea party
> movement on it's home page or via emails, then should it be considered
> political?  I think so.
>
> -- Ralph Durkee
>
>
> On 02/15/2017 09:12 PM, Brad Causey wrote:
>
> This is the page I think everyone is discussing. (See attached)
>
> Basically, Meetup has declared that they are "on the left" pretty clearly.
> Now, as most of you well know I'm pretty far right as far as Americans go.
>
> With that bias declared up front, I don't see any reason to move away from
> Meetup. OWASP using their services has nothing to do with the fact that
> they've chosen sides in politics. We aren't endorsing their position, nor
> should we.
>
> Unless we plan to analyze the political statements of all affiliates,
> vendors, sponsors, etc., I don't feel any action is necessary. If their
> product fits our needs, then let's use them.
>
> I would even argue that discontinuing use of their services based on their
> political beliefs would be making a political statement of our own.
> Something I don't think we want to do.
>
> Let's leave the politics out of it if we can.
>
> Have a great evening everyone!
>
>
>
>
>
> -Brad Causey
> CISSP, MCSE, C|EH, CIFI, CGSP
>
> http://www.owasp.org
> --
> "Si vis pacem, para bellum"
> --
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Justin Ferguson <
> justin.ferguson at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>> How is this political?
>>
>> [image: meetuphomepage.png]
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 7:34 PM Ralph Durkee (OWASP) <
>> Ralph.Durkee at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I understand we have a lot of usage of meetup and making quick changes
>>> would consume resources we can't spare.  I also understand there is no
>>> easy or quick answer. However with such a service we must to link to the
>>> meetup website, and the political nature of their home page infringes on
>>> OWASP attempt to be politically neutral.  I'm not expecting a quick
>>> change that would be disruptive to progress, but we should consider what
>>> what their free speech does to politicize our organization, we should
>>> talk to them and consider the politicizing effect in evaluating future
>>> or expanded usage of meetup solutions.
>>>
>>> -- Ralph Durkee
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/14/2017 09:21 PM, Andrew van der Stock wrote:
>>> > If OWASP constantly made decisions relating the shifting sands of
>>> > lobbying and power and alliances, we'd still get it wrong as many
>>> > large firms we rely on pay lobbyists to gain influence in US politics
>>> > here and abroad. I think this is a good discussion to have, but I
>>> > don't see any immediate change in our commercial posture unless it's
>>> > particularly egregarious.
>>> >
>>> > Having a political stance baked into OWASP supply chain decisions is a
>>> > political decision, whether we like it or not. Not making a decision
>>> > is a political decision. I understand that we will not make everyone
>>> > happy with this stance, but I think it should be up to the Board to
>>> > evaluate this and make a decision if we change our approach or not. I
>>> > do not presume to answer for the entire Board, because that's not how
>>> > this works.
>>> >
>>> > thanks,
>>> > Andrew
>>>
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>> --
>> Justin Ferguson
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>> justin.ferguson at owasp.org
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