[Owasp-leaders] Meetup.com goes Deep Politcal

Thu Feb 16 17:41:49 UTC 2017

I think most would agree that OWASP should avoid linking to political 
websites when possible.

If a website promoted joining either the DNC or RNC on it's home page or 
via emails, then I think most would agree it's political.

If a website promotes joining the #resist movement or the tea party 
movement on it's home page or via emails, then should it be considered 
political?  I think so.

-- Ralph Durkee

On 02/15/2017 09:12 PM, Brad Causey wrote:
> This is the page I think everyone is discussing. (See attached)
>
> Basically, Meetup has declared that they are "on the left" pretty 
> clearly. Now, as most of you well know I'm pretty far right as far as 
> Americans go.
>
> With that bias declared up front, I don't see any reason to move away 
> from Meetup. OWASP using their services has nothing to do with the 
> fact that they've chosen sides in politics. We aren't endorsing their 
> position, nor should we.
>
> Unless we plan to analyze the political statements of all affiliates, 
> vendors, sponsors, etc., I don't feel any action is necessary. If 
> their product fits our needs, then let's use them.
>
> I would even argue that discontinuing use of their services based on 
> their political beliefs would be making a political statement of our 
> own. Something I don't think we want to do.
>
> Let's leave the politics out of it if we can.
>
> Have a great evening everyone!
>
>
>
>
>
> -Brad Causey
> CISSP, MCSE, C|EH, CIFI, CGSP
>
> http://www.owasp.org
> --
> "Si vis pacem, para bellum"
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>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Justin Ferguson 
> <justin.ferguson at owasp.org <mailto:justin.ferguson at owasp.org>> wrote:
>
>     How is this political?
>
>     meetuphomepage.png
>
>
>     On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 7:34 PM Ralph Durkee (OWASP)
>     <Ralph.Durkee at owasp.org <mailto:Ralph.Durkee at owasp.org>> wrote:
>
>         I understand we have a lot of usage of meetup and making quick
>         changes
>         would consume resources we can't spare.  I also understand
>         there is no
>         easy or quick answer. However with such a service we must to
>         link to the
>         meetup website, and the political nature of their home page
>         infringes on
>         OWASP attempt to be politically neutral.  I'm not expecting a
>         quick
>         change that would be disruptive to progress, but we should
>         consider what
>         what their free speech does to politicize our organization, we
>         should
>         talk to them and consider the politicizing effect in
>         evaluating future
>         or expanded usage of meetup solutions.
>
>         -- Ralph Durkee
>
>
>         On 02/14/2017 09:21 PM, Andrew van der Stock wrote:
>         > If OWASP constantly made decisions relating the shifting
>         sands of
>         > lobbying and power and alliances, we'd still get it wrong as
>         many
>         > large firms we rely on pay lobbyists to gain influence in US
>         politics
>         > here and abroad. I think this is a good discussion to have,
>         but I
>         > don't see any immediate change in our commercial posture
>         unless it's
>         > particularly egregarious.
>         >
>         > Having a political stance baked into OWASP supply chain
>         decisions is a
>         > political decision, whether we like it or not. Not making a
>         decision
>         > is a political decision. I understand that we will not make
>         everyone
>         > happy with this stance, but I think it should be up to the
>         Board to
>         > evaluate this and make a decision if we change our approach
>         or not. I
>         > do not presume to answer for the entire Board, because
>         that's not how
>         > this works.
>         >
>         > thanks,
>         > Andrew
>
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>     -- 
>     -- 
>     Justin Ferguson
>     OWASP-Kansas City Chapter Leader
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