[Owasp-leaders] Meetup.com goes Deep Politcal

Ralph Durkee (OWASP) Ralph.Durkee at owasp.org
Wed Feb 15 21:21:38 UTC 2017

Thanks.  I do think it is important to see the difference between Google 
taking a stand or exercising it's free speech, and what Meetup.com has 
done is to force it's political opinions out on all of the thousands of 
links that customers have to it's website. There's over a 1000 links 
from OWASP.com to meetup.com. Which now have a stated political opinion 
that about half of the US population is clearly in disagreement.  This 
makes OWASP a conduit for Meetup.com's political message.  I don't see 
other organizations pushing divisive political agendas in this manner.

-- Ralph Durkee

On 02/14/2017 09:21 PM, Andrew van der Stock wrote:
> I will table a discussion (but not a vote, as that requires a motion 
> and I don't see anything to motion on at this moment) for the next 
> Board meeting on this topic, but in short, I don't believe this 
> violates OWASP's non-political stance. The reality is that
>   * We use Google for e-mail, and they also have made many political
>     statements regarding immigration and diversity, as well as lobby
>     very hard in numerous ways that we can't really fathom.
>   * We use(d) Rackspace, and yet they sponsor a wide range of
>     organizations, including us.
>   * We use Verizon for telecommunications, and yet they stand against
>     network neutrality.
>   * We partner with many organizations, some of whom are direct
>     competitors.
> If OWASP constantly made decisions relating the shifting sands of 
> lobbying and power and alliances, we'd still get it wrong as many 
> large firms we rely on pay lobbyists to gain influence in US politics 
> here and abroad. I think this is a good discussion to have, but I 
> don't see any immediate change in our commercial posture unless it's 
> particularly egregarious.
> Having a political stance baked into OWASP supply chain decisions is a 
> political decision, whether we like it or not. Not making a decision 
> is a political decision. I understand that we will not make everyone 
> happy with this stance, but I think it should be up to the Board to 
> evaluate this and make a decision if we change our approach or not. I 
> do not presume to answer for the entire Board, because that's not how 
> this works.
> thanks,
> Andrew
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:07 AM, Bev Corwin <bev.corwin at owasp.org 
> <mailto:bev.corwin at owasp.org>> wrote:
>     +1
>     Bev
>     On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Sean Auriti
>     <sean.auriti at owasp.org <mailto:sean.auriti at owasp.org>> wrote:
>         We could build our own websites per chapter and host them on
>         Github.
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