[Owasp-leaders] Bring balance: force verification in scanning tools

Tom Brennan - OWASP tomb at owasp.org
Mon May 23 20:17:06 UTC 2016

FWIW - this started OWASP and has not changed since 2006'


You will notice it on each and every chapter, project and page at @owasp

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 3:31 PM, johanna curiel curiel <
johanna.curiel at owasp.org> wrote:

> >>There is nothing stopping defenders from using "attacking" tools to
> secure their networks, servers, etc. After all we all port scan and
> vulnerability scan our infrastructure, right?
> Hi Liam
> I can see majority of the people answering are pen testers. I'm a
> developer that learn pen testing to so called 'secure' apps
>  It all depends on the technology and system.You find the holes but this
> per se does not fix them or even worse, makes you realise that if the
> developer knew how to code securely from the beginning a lot of headaches
> could have been avoided.
> Recently I tested a .NET app build using 3.5 SP1 and no master pages or
> MVC(available in +4). The so called 'ViewState' did not help against CRSF .
> In fact the developer has to rebuild the whole thing using MVC +.NET 4.0.if
> he wants to protect this properly.
> IS it feasible at this point? Nope. Will the company release the code even
> with the issue? Yep.
> pen testing only helps find the wholes. Fixing them is another
> story.Hacking tools don't help you 'secure' applications. They only help
> you verify the security built by them.
> Another anecdote. I used to work as RPG developer for a legacy AS/400
> banking system. The whole things works with cgi (yikes!)
> The pen tester found a CRSF attack. The architect said: prove it. Then the
> bug headache came: How to fix this?
> Yes, it was a headache to fix and it did not happened immediately.In fact
> that architect 'hates' pen testers...😜
> I think we should stop this discussion.
> I think I'm starting a survey just to check how many of you work defending
> applications, I mean like *patching, fixing vulnerabilities in code*, so
> I might verify if I'm the only developer in OWASP trying to defend
> applications and that I'm alone among pen testers...
> Then I'm definitely in the wrong community 😁
> Cheers
> Johanna
> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Liam Smit <liam.smit at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Simon
>> ZAP needs to be as effective as possible at finding vulnerabilities.
>> Hobbling it by making it easier to detect makes it less effective. E.g.
>> some vendor's firewall detects the scan and blocks it. When the actual
>> exploit comes along it is not detected and the application is compromised.
>> The better it is at detecting vulnerabilities the better it can be used
>> by defenders to plug the holes. There is nothing stopping defenders from
>> using "attacking" tools to secure their networks, servers, etc. After all
>> we all port scan and vulnerability scan our infrastructure, right?
>> Regards,
>> Liam
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> Johanna Curiel
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