[Owasp-leaders] Bring balance: force verification in scanning tools

Bev Corwin bev.corwin at owasp.org
Sun May 22 23:03:43 UTC 2016


Many interesting points,

Probably good to check with OWASP legal experts about possible future
acceptable use agreements to help mitigate risk exposure.

Yes for the panel idea, can put it out there and see who may be interested.

Bev

On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 6:55 PM, johanna curiel curiel <
johanna.curiel at owasp.org> wrote:

> Definitely Bev :-)
>
> In fact this is the kind of thing we should discuss.Should we start a
> formal process to bring this to a panel discussion?
> I started developing a tool 'Nmapalyzer':
> https://github.com/ossecsoft/nmapalyzer
> Is a tool to identify the data packages sent by NMAP probes. Reverse
> engineering of nmap TCP sent packages to a target machine
> https://www.gitbook.com/book/marylinh/nmapalyzer/details
>
> So Bev, there are commercial solutions doing this and some OS but not
> extensively. My plan with the Nmapalyzer is to help detect network
> traffic(passive) and set  the information with a nice dashboard. It is in
> research phase right now.
>
> >>But given that it IS open source, a hacker would simply fork it on
> GitHub or BitBucket or wherever and just point fellow black hats at the
> modified source at some other URL.
>
> Simply?😏 He do you have fellow blackhat friends that give you exploit
> kits for free?
>
> blackhats don't give anything for free.Which blackhats are developing
> 'open source hacking tools' and giving tools for free like we do? No one,
> wether you pay 1 dollar or 300 for anything, they need to make a living.
>
> Have you check ZAP code? Maybe this part should not be at all documented .
> Believe me he will move to BURP or tamper data faster than just go and take
> the time to change this. and give it for free...
>
> Now a professional blackhat will invest his time/money and distribute a
> version but it will charge some money for it, just as done with malware
> exploitation kits.
>
> I bet you 100USD than the moment ZAP does this, download of this new
> version will decrease by 50% and  a blackhat will make a version for sale
> for a very good price in the dark web (charge USD20 instead of buying BURP
> for USD300/year)
> Want to bet?
>
> On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Bev Corwin <bev.corwin at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Johanna,
>>
>> I was thinking more about possible collaborations between interested
>> OWASP Foundation projects and NIST Cloud Computing Forensic Science Working
>> Group: http://www.nist.gov/itl/itl-cloud-computing-forensic-science.cfm
>>
>> Your questions about social responsibility when developing technologies
>> that have potentials for misuse, or to be weaponized, and putting such
>> concepts into "security by design-like" and/or "implementing security early
>> in development life cycle-like" contexts, could provide interesting
>> discussions for collaborative working group discussions, and/or panel
>> discussions at future events, i.e.: AppSecUSA, and/or other conferences,
>> for example.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Bev
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 10:51 PM, johanna curiel curiel <
>> johanna.curiel at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Bev made a question which triggered an idea
>>>
>>> >>Why couldn't we think about implementing some types of OWASP forensic
>>> features into all of our code projects so that we could at least have some
>>> way to investigate if / when they are misused?
>>>
>>> Now, when she said that I though why ZAP does not implement a feature
>>> that already exists is SaaS products which REQUIRES that you set a file in
>>> the hosting application before in order to be able to pen test it? If the
>>> file is not found in the URL domain server hosting the application, you
>>> cannot attack it.
>>>
>>> I don't want to advertise which commercial vendors do that but this is
>>> the way they avoid that a hackers go and misuse their services.
>>>
>>> Building a module into ZAP that requires this file first to verify you
>>> own the web app and then attack will make it harder for hackers to just
>>> download and use ZAP for evil purpose
>>>
>>> I know the project is open source and a hacker can go and modify the
>>> module but that will be more work for him and will refrain the lazy hackers
>>> or the ones without Java knowledge and resources, they will have better to
>>> move to another tool without this feature.
>>>
>>> This way we are helping the white hats and not the black ones. Is not
>>> the final solution but I think in this way OWASP builds breakers attempting
>>> to also help Applications security.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Johanna Curiel
>>> OWASP Volunteer
>>>
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>>
>
>
> --
> Johanna Curiel
> OWASP Volunteer
>
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