[Owasp-leaders] [Owasp-community] Project and Chapter Funding Proposal

psiinon psiinon at gmail.com
Thu Oct 8 13:14:25 UTC 2015


Thanks for clarifying that for me Josh :)

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:

> Simon,
>
> It is the latter.  Solely for money allocated from the general Foundation
> funds so that we can recoup what is allocated, but not spent.
> On Oct 8, 2015 3:48 AM, "psiinon" <psiinon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I dont think its that clear cut.
>> In many cases the money has not been allocated by the Foundation - people
>> have decided to donate to a specific project or chapter, and I think we
>> should be very careful before arbitrarily moving money away from them.
>> In the case of projects, if we take money away that has been donated to
>> them then we run the risk of those projects leaving OWASP so that money
>> donated to them is protected, or putting off new projects from joining
>> OWASP because of the danger of having their funds removed.
>>
>> Having said that, I'm generally in favour of this proposal - I think its
>> a very good idea for projects and chapters with significant funds to be
>> required to produce a budget.
>> However we should be looking to support and encourage projects and
>> chapters to use their funds effectively rather than threatening to take
>> their funds away.
>>
>> I'm still not completely happy with the current proposal, in particular
>> the phrase in the revised section 9: "Money that is budgeted in this
>> manner, that wasn’t spent during the calendar year, would be returned back
>> to the OWASP Foundation general funds."
>> Does this section apply to general chapter/project funds or funds
>> allocated from Foundation general funds for a specific purpose? If its the
>> latter then thats fine :)
>> If its for general chapter/project funds then I think its should be
>> reconsidered. Situations change, and there may be very good reasons why
>> money allocated to a specific task wasnt spent in a specific calendar year.
>> It should be possible to carry these funds over to the next year if
>> appropriate.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Tony Turner <tony.turner at owasp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you aren't spending money, why do you need it? It's not yours, it's
>>> the Foundations allocated for your chapter or project usage. If funds are
>>> not needed they should be reallocated. Create a multi-year budget if you
>>> need to. Submit additional budget requests if you identify additional needs
>>> later. This concept of money ownership is not conducive to the overall
>>> goals of OWASP. We have a singular mission, executed in many different ways
>>> by many different people but at the end of it all, there's no reason for
>>> anyone to feel they need to stake a claim on "their" funds. If your
>>> objectives at the chapter or project level are being met, why does it
>>> matter how much is sitting in your "account"?
>>> On Oct 7, 2015 9:27 AM, "Azzeddine Ramrami" <azzeddine.ramrami at owasp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jim, Hi Josh,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the proposal Josh and Jim. Very good initiative.
>>>>
>>>> I agree with all points except this one (I joind Richard):
>>>>
>>>> "Budgeted money that wasn’t spent during the calendar year would be
>>>> returned back to the OWASP Foundation general funds."
>>>>
>>>> Chapter's budget are very critical for meeting, events and more.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why? It is really difficult to collect found (for my Chapter it is
>>>> impossible now) and for my project (CSRFGuard) I received a thousand
>>>> of support request without any donation or help.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Azzeddine
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Richard, if you remove that one aspect of the proposal, what do you
>>>>> think about the other 9 points?
>>>>>
>>>>> - Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/30/15 8:40 PM, Richard Greenberg wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the proposal Josh and Jim. Sadly, I cannot support this. "Budgeted
>>>>> money that wasn’t spent during the calendar year would be returned back to
>>>>> the OWASP Foundation general funds." No, that will not work. Our chapter
>>>>> meeting attendance shot up to 80-120 once we started providing a catered
>>>>> dinner, paid for by vendor support and our yearly conference. We loose our
>>>>> money to the Foundation, and we are moving month to month without any
>>>>> backup funding. This is no way to run a chapter. We have reserves for the
>>>>> months we cannot get a sponsor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please do not lecture me about attendees should want to attend even if
>>>>> we don't provide food. That is a bad statement. We want attendees, and if
>>>>> have to entice them, so be it. Getting the word out about secure
>>>>> development trumps any philosophical differences anyone may have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically, in an attempt to manage the finances, you risk alienating
>>>>> the very essence of who OWASP is: the Chapters. Chapters need control of
>>>>> their own budgets. We do all the heavy lifting to generate our own income.
>>>>> We deserve to manage it.
>>>>>
>>>>> You want to see a budget? That is reasonable. You threaten to take
>>>>> away our money? Absolutely the wrong approach. Terrible proposal!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Greenberg, CISSP
>>>>> President, OWASP Los Angeles, <http://www.appsecusa.org/>
>>>>> www.owaspla.org
>>>>> ISSA Fellow
>>>>> VP, ISSA Los Angeles, www.issa-la.org <http://www.appsecusa.org/>
>>>>> LinkedIn:  http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardagreenberg
>>>>> (424) 261-8111
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have a moment, please take a look at the funding proposal
>>>>>> below. The board is going to vote on this soon. I'd be grateful if you had
>>>>>> time to review and provide comments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jim Manico
>>>>>> Global Board Member
>>>>>> OWASP Foundation
>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org
>>>>>> Join me at AppSecUSA 2015!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/25/15 10:20 PM, Jim Manico wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OWASP Community,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Josh Sokol proposed a major funding initiative for projects and
>>>>>>> chapters at the OWASP global board meeting earlier today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Proposal_for_2015-09-25_OWASP_Board_Meeting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I personally think this is an excellent proposal and would like to
>>>>>>> call for a board vote early next week so our staff can prep for this for
>>>>>>> 2016.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the spirit of transparency and even more important - getting
>>>>>>> valuable feedback from the community - we are publishing this proposal to
>>>>>>> the community at large.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please read this carefully and let us know what you think
>>>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Proposal_for_2015-09-25_OWASP_Board_Meeting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aloha,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jim Manico
>>>>> Global Board Member
>>>>> OWASP Foundationhttps://www.owasp.org
>>>>> Join me at AppSecUSA 2015!
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Enterprise Security Architect
>>>> OWASP Leader (Morocco Chapter)
>>>> Mozilla Security Projects Mentor
>>>>
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