[Owasp-leaders] [Owasp-community] Project and Chapter Funding Proposal

Jim Manico jim.manico at owasp.org
Wed Oct 7 20:11:20 UTC 2015


Tony,

For you as a chapter leader to understand this dynamic speaks volumes 
about your commitment to the foundation and community. Thank you for 
this perspective. And please consider running for the board next year...

Aloha,
Jim



On 10/7/15 8:45 AM, Tony Turner wrote:
>
> If you aren't spending money, why do you need it? It's not yours, it's 
> the Foundations allocated for your chapter or project usage. If funds 
> are not needed they should be reallocated. Create a multi-year budget 
> if you need to. Submit additional budget requests if you identify 
> additional needs later. This concept of money ownership is not 
> conducive to the overall goals of OWASP. We have a singular mission, 
> executed in many different ways by many different people but at the 
> end of it all, there's no reason for anyone to feel they need to stake 
> a claim on "their" funds. If your objectives at the chapter or project 
> level are being met, why does it matter how much is sitting in your 
> "account"?
>
> On Oct 7, 2015 9:27 AM, "Azzeddine Ramrami" 
> <azzeddine.ramrami at owasp.org <mailto:azzeddine.ramrami at owasp.org>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Jim, Hi Josh,
>
>     Thanks for the proposal Josh and Jim. Very good initiative.
>
>     I agree with all points except this one (I joind Richard):
>
>     "Budgeted money that wasn’t spent during the calendar year would
>     be returned back to the OWASP Foundation general funds."
>
>     Chapter's budget are very critical for meeting, events and more.
>
>
>     Why? It is really difficult to collect found (for my Chapter it is
>     impossible now) and for my project (CSRFGuard) I received a
>     thousand of support request without any donation or help.
>
>     Thanks.
>     Azzeddine
>
>
>     On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org
>     <mailto:jim.manico at owasp.org>> wrote:
>
>         Richard, if you remove that one aspect of the proposal, what
>         do you think about the other 9 points?
>
>         - Jim
>
>         On 9/30/15 8:40 PM, Richard Greenberg wrote:
>>         Thanks for the proposal Josh and Jim. Sadly, I cannot support
>>         this. "Budgeted money that wasn’t spent during the calendar
>>         year would be returned back to the OWASP Foundation general
>>         funds." No, that will not work. Our chapter meeting
>>         attendance shot up to 80-120 once we started providing a
>>         catered dinner, paid for by vendor support and our yearly
>>         conference. We loose our money to the Foundation, and we are
>>         moving month to month without any backup funding. This is no
>>         way to run a chapter. We have reserves for the months we
>>         cannot get a sponsor.
>>
>>         Please do not lecture me about attendees should want to
>>         attend even if we don't provide food. That is a bad
>>         statement. We want attendees, and if have to entice them, so
>>         be it. Getting the word out about secure development trumps
>>         any philosophical differences anyone may have.
>>
>>         Basically, in an attempt to manage the finances, you risk
>>         alienating the very essence of who OWASP is: the Chapters.
>>         Chapters need control of their own budgets. We do all the
>>         heavy lifting to generate our own income. We deserve to
>>         manage it.
>>
>>         You want to see a budget? That is reasonable. You threaten to
>>         take away our money? Absolutely the wrong approach. Terrible
>>         proposal!!
>>
>>         Richard Greenberg, CISSP
>>         President, OWASP Los Angeles, www.owaspla.org
>>         <http://www.owaspla.org>
>>         ISSA Fellow
>>         VP, ISSA Los Angeles, www.issa-la.org <http://www.appsecusa.org/>
>>         LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardagreenberg
>>         (424) 261-8111 <tel:%28424%29%20261-8111>
>>
>>         On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Jim Manico
>>         <jim.manico at owasp.org <mailto:jim.manico at owasp.org>> wrote:
>>
>>             Hello all,
>>
>>             If you have a moment, please take a look at the funding
>>             proposal below. The board is going to vote on this soon.
>>             I'd be grateful if you had time to review and provide
>>             comments.
>>
>>             Cheers,
>>
>>             -- 
>>             Jim Manico
>>             Global Board Member
>>             OWASP Foundation
>>             https://www.owasp.org
>>             Join me at AppSecUSA 2015!
>>
>>
>>             On 9/25/15 10:20 PM, Jim Manico wrote:
>>
>>                 OWASP Community,
>>
>>                 Josh Sokol proposed a major funding initiative for
>>                 projects and chapters at the OWASP global board
>>                 meeting earlier today.
>>
>>                 https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Proposal_for_2015-09-25_OWASP_Board_Meeting
>>
>>
>>                 I personally think this is an excellent proposal and
>>                 would like to call for a board vote early next week
>>                 so our staff can prep for this for 2016.
>>
>>                 In the spirit of transparency and even more important
>>                 - getting valuable feedback from the community - we
>>                 are publishing this proposal to the community at large.
>>
>>                 Please read this carefully and let us know what you
>>                 think
>>                 https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Proposal_for_2015-09-25_OWASP_Board_Meeting
>>
>>                 Aloha,
>>
>>
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>>
>
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