[Owasp-leaders] [Owasp-community] Project and Chapter Funding Proposal

Azzeddine Ramrami azzeddine.ramrami at owasp.org
Tue Oct 6 18:26:47 UTC 2015


Ok for me

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Josh Sokol <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:

> *Azzedine*, I updated the language there to try to make the intent more
> clear:
>
> *Separate from the aforementioned budgeting process for chapter and
> project accounts, any OWASP Leader can create a budget and provide it to
> the OWASP Board prior to November 1 for inclusion in the Foundation budget
> planning process.  The budget would be reviewed by the Executive Director
> and Board, and, if approved, incorporated into the overall OWASP Foundation
> budget for the following year.  This would effectively set aside the funds
> to use at the appropriate period of time, in the future, with no further
> approvals necessary.  Money that is budgeted in this manner, that wasn’t
> spent during the calendar year, would be returned back to the OWASP
> Foundation general funds.*
>
> The idea is that this has nothing to do with the standard budgeting
> process for a chapter or a project.  It is a separated channel through
> which an OWASP Leader can request funds for initiatives that do not have
> funding.  I'll use the Project Summit as an example.  It's an excellent
> initiative and one we should support.  It's also expensive and something
> that would be far better if we could budget for it in advance.  This
> proposal would give the Leader organizing the summit the ability to create
> a plan and request funds in absence of any money in an account designated
> for the event.  If approved, it authorizes them to spend the money just as
> if it were in a chapter or project account.  The reason for the last
> sentence is that this is not money "earned" as is the case for money in the
> chapter or project accounts.  It is money that is "requested" from the
> Foundation resources.  If the money is not spent, then the Foundation needs
> to be able to re-allocate it to other things.  The Leader can always
> re-request it, in the future, when they are again ready to execute.
>
> *Richard*, again, see my explanation above.  This has nothing to do with
> chapter or project accounts or funds.  This is a separate process.  Your
> objection seems to be based around not wanting to give up your chapter's
> money, but there is nothing there that would actually take any of your
> current funds away.  I'm not sure I understand.
>
> ~josh
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 12:15 AM, Azzeddine Ramrami <
> azzeddine.ramrami at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jim, Hi Josh,
>>
>> Thanks for the proposal Josh and Jim. Very good initiative.
>>
>> I agree with all points except this one (I joind Richard):
>>
>> "Budgeted money that wasn’t spent during the calendar year would be
>> returned back to the OWASP Foundation general funds."
>>
>> Chapter's budget are very critical for meeting, events and more.
>>
>>
>> Why? It is really difficult to collect found (for my Chapter it is
>> impossible now) and for my project (CSRFGuard) I received a thousand of
>> support request without any donation or help.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Azzeddine
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Richard, if you remove that one aspect of the proposal, what do you
>>> think about the other 9 points?
>>>
>>> - Jim
>>>
>>> On 9/30/15 8:40 PM, Richard Greenberg wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the proposal Josh and Jim. Sadly, I cannot support this. "Budgeted
>>> money that wasn’t spent during the calendar year would be returned back to
>>> the OWASP Foundation general funds." No, that will not work. Our chapter
>>> meeting attendance shot up to 80-120 once we started providing a catered
>>> dinner, paid for by vendor support and our yearly conference. We loose our
>>> money to the Foundation, and we are moving month to month without any
>>> backup funding. This is no way to run a chapter. We have reserves for the
>>> months we cannot get a sponsor.
>>>
>>> Please do not lecture me about attendees should want to attend even if
>>> we don't provide food. That is a bad statement. We want attendees, and if
>>> have to entice them, so be it. Getting the word out about secure
>>> development trumps any philosophical differences anyone may have.
>>>
>>> Basically, in an attempt to manage the finances, you risk alienating the
>>> very essence of who OWASP is: the Chapters. Chapters need control of their
>>> own budgets. We do all the heavy lifting to generate our own income. We
>>> deserve to manage it.
>>>
>>> You want to see a budget? That is reasonable. You threaten to take away
>>> our money? Absolutely the wrong approach. Terrible proposal!!
>>>
>>> Richard Greenberg, CISSP
>>> President, OWASP Los Angeles, <http://www.appsecusa.org/>www.owaspla.org
>>> ISSA Fellow
>>> VP, ISSA Los Angeles, www.issa-la.org <http://www.appsecusa.org/>
>>> LinkedIn:  http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardagreenberg
>>> (424) 261-8111
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Jim Manico <jim.manico at owasp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> If you have a moment, please take a look at the funding proposal below.
>>>> The board is going to vote on this soon. I'd be grateful if you had time to
>>>> review and provide comments.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jim Manico
>>>> Global Board Member
>>>> OWASP Foundation
>>>> https://www.owasp.org
>>>> Join me at AppSecUSA 2015!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/25/15 10:20 PM, Jim Manico wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> OWASP Community,
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Sokol proposed a major funding initiative for projects and
>>>>> chapters at the OWASP global board meeting earlier today.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Proposal_for_2015-09-25_OWASP_Board_Meeting
>>>>>
>>>>> I personally think this is an excellent proposal and would like to
>>>>> call for a board vote early next week so our staff can prep for this for
>>>>> 2016.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the spirit of transparency and even more important - getting
>>>>> valuable feedback from the community - we are publishing this proposal to
>>>>> the community at large.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please read this carefully and let us know what you think
>>>>> https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Proposal_for_2015-09-25_OWASP_Board_Meeting
>>>>>
>>>>> Aloha,
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jim Manico
>>> Global Board Member
>>> OWASP Foundationhttps://www.owasp.org
>>> Join me at AppSecUSA 2015!
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Azzeddine RAMRAMI
>> +33 6 65 48 90 04.
>> Enterprise Security Architect
>> OWASP Leader (Morocco Chapter)
>> Mozilla Security Projects Mentor
>>
>
>


-- 
Azzeddine RAMRAMI
+33 6 65 48 90 04.
Enterprise Security Architect
OWASP Leader (Morocco Chapter)
Mozilla Security Projects Mentor
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