[Owasp-leaders] Project and Chapter Funding Proposal

Richard Greenberg richard.greenberg at owasp.org
Sun Oct 4 18:24:58 UTC 2015

In rereading your updated language several times, nothing has changed. If I
create a budget, and I don't spend it the way I stated I would, then I lose
the money. Still the same, still bad, still should NOT be approved.

Richard Greenberg, CISSP
President, OWASP Los Angeles,
ISSA Fellow
President, ISSA Los Angeles,
LinkedIn:  http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardagreenberg

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On Oct 2, 2015 2:03 PM, "Josh Sokol" <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:

> Hey all,
> I think there is a major technical glitch at the moment with the mailing
> lists which is preventing me (and likely others) from seeing the responses
> in my e-mail.  I had to go back to the list archives in order to respond to
> some of the feedback:
> 1) Jim Weiler: Proposal 7: Regarding not having to have the staff notify
> leaders.  Technically, this already started happening within the past month
> or two.  The problem was we had a lack of education with many leaders on
> how much money they had and what they could spend it on.  This provides an
> automated, monthly, update so that leaders can make an informed decision.
> 2) Larry Conklin: Proposal 4: Can you please elaborate on "something else,
> but not sure what"?  I have no idea what you mean.
> 3) Larry Conklin: Proposal 8: Regarding what happens if a chapter wants to
> divert money from one thing to another.  This is not a problem.  There is
> nothing in the plan that prevents the transfer of funds or re-budgeting
> throughout the year.
> 4) Larry Conklin: Proposal 10:  Regarding working with those in excess of
> $5k first.  Absolutely.  This would be part of the budgeting process with
> support from the staff.  There will also be a massive communication plan
> associated with this effort.  Nobody wants to take money away.  We just
> want to make sure that everyone has a plan for the money they have.  Does
> the proposal affect chapters with sponsors or chapters/projects with
> grants?  Yes.
> 5) Zac Fowler: Regarding $4500 being a big fine, it's not a fine, but I
> agree that there should be a major effort to try to work with people before
> they lose funding.  See my answer #4 above.  That said, I like your revised
> language and made a few small tweaks to it presented below.  Thank you for
> presenting alternate wording.  This is exactly the kind of constructive
> effort we were hoping to get by presenting it before a vote.
> 6) Richard Greenberg: While I love the passion, I'm afraid there is a big
> misunderstanding around Proposal 9 and this shows me that I need to revise
> the language.  This proposal was intended to act in isolation of the other
> proposals and I'm realizing that isn't clear.  The idea was that if a
> leader created a budget for funds that weren't in an account, those funds
> were approved by the Foundation, and the money was never spent, those funds
> are not "ring fenced" like other funds are today.  They would basically be
> considered unexecuted expenses and if the leader wanted to try again the
> following year, they would need to re-budget for it.  See my revised
> language below.
> *My Proposed Revised Language:*
> Change Proposal 9 to:
> *Separate from the aforementioned budgeting process for chapter and
> project accounts, any OWASP Leader can create a budget and provide it to
> the OWASP Board prior to November 1 for inclusion in the Foundation budget
> planning process.  The budget would be reviewed by the Executive Director
> and Board, and, if approved, incorporated into the overall OWASP Foundation
> budget for the following year.  This would effectively set aside the funds
> to use at the appropriate period of time, in the future, with no further
> approvals necessary.  Money that is budgeted in this manner, that wasn’t
> spent during the calendar year, would be returned back to the OWASP
> Foundation general funds.*
> Change Proposal 10 to:
> *Accounts with a balance of $5,000 or more as of December
> 1,with no proposed budget for spending their funds, will be contacted by theOWASP staff
> directly to review their account balance. The chapter will berequired to create a budget to allocate the funds for the upcoming year.*
> *Unbudgeted funds may be diverted to other project(s), chapter(s), or*
> *Community Engagement Funding accounts if the chapter cannot be contacted
> or a budget is not received prior to January 1.*
> Thoughts?
> ~josh
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