[Owasp-leaders] [Governance] Request - Survey - Implementation process on higher decisions
Steven van der Baan
steven.van.der.baan at owasp.org
Wed Aug 19 09:51:54 UTC 2015
to clarify, I wasn't proposing that OWASP should issue a credit card.
The point regarding the access wasn't for myself, but I can see that
some members have limited means, which make the expense system a hurdle.
I'm glad to see that there is a method to have access to project (or
chapter) funds. I will add it to the wiki pages that there is a method
beyond reimbursement. And thank you for offering to reimburse yourself.
On 18/08/15 21:58, Josh Sokol wrote:
> For liability reasons, I don't see OWASP issuing credit cards to our
> leaders. That said, we do have an OWASP credit card that the staff
> has the ability to use. If there's something that you need, and you
> don't have the ability to have the cost expensed back to you, just
> fill out the Contact Us form and request assistance with payment from
> the staff. If they have an issue with it (which I highly doubt they
> would), let me know, and I'll put it on my personal card and request
> the reimbursement myself. ;-)
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Steven van der Baan
> <steven at vdbaan.net <mailto:steven at vdbaan.net>> wrote:
> >> The limit of USD2,000- for supporting a project leader a year
> is for most leaders not enough. If a leader outside US or EU is
> invited to blackhat , that amount is not enough to cover his
> traveling expenses. And thats the maximum he can have in a year
> after filling on forms and going through some back-and-forth
> emails with the staff...
> > Ahhhhh, finally we get to the root of the issue. The issue
> isn't that money isn't available, because, frankly, we had a
> significant amount of money budgeted last year that wasn't used.
> The issue is that there is a cap on what any one project leader
> can request/spend. My personal opinion here is that this $2k cap
> should be treated as a guideline, not a rule. It is likely in
> place to prevent abuse by having a significant amount of money
> from the pool go to any one individual. But, that cap certainly
> should not prevent the OWASP Foundation from investing in the
> projects, and people behind the projects, to make them better.
> The Board entrusts Paul, as Executive Director, and the OWASP
> staff to handle the day-to-day operations of the OWASP
> Foundation. Part of their job is to review these types of
> requests in order to determine whether they make sense and there
> are funds available. That said, if you get to a point where you
> feel that they are being unreasonable, the Board can certainly
> step in and try to determine if an exception should be made. So,
> net-net, maybe that $2k cap is too low. Should we raise it? If
> so, what should it be? What amount would be reasonable for any
> one individual to consume from that shared pool of funds?
> Guidelines can be changed. Guidelines can even be overruled for
> the right reasons. This is a relatively minor issue that it
> sounds like should be re-evaluated given rising costs, bigger
> budget pools, unused funds, etc. Can you please come up with a
> reasonable proposal here and I will take that to the Board for
> approval to change this guideline?
> I don't think that the monetary cap is the issue, I believe it's
> the (not so) ease of access to said funds. Not everybody can
> afford to have their project costs expensed back to them, there
> should be a possibility (hopefully there is one) to have a "OWASP
> Credit card" that can be used.
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