[Owasp-leaders] Speakers at Appsec conferences

Dinis Cruz dinis.cruz at owasp.org
Mon Sep 15 21:56:33 UTC 2014


Hey Josh, maybe next time those funds could be allocated to the OWASP GSD
project (see https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_GSD_Project)

There has been some cool stuff done with the GSD funds available.
On 11 Sep 2014 22:34, "Josh Sokol" <josh.sokol at owasp.org> wrote:

> BTW, OWASP Austin donated $10,000 back to the Foundation from it's chapter
> account earlier this year.  Unfortunately, I think this money kinda
> disappeared into the OWASP Foundation budgetary abyss rather than getting
> used for something like this.  Kinda disappointing.
>
> ~josh
>
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:19 PM, johanna curiel curiel <
> johanna.curiel at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>> > Most of that is chapter funds. So if chapters wanted to donate their
>> chapter money, then yes, we could do it.
>>
>> Maybe the "rich chapters" can donate to the "poor ones" ?
>>
>> Can we arrange something like this?
>> It will make it easier for chapters in countries like Africa, Latin
>> America that struggle to get sponsors...
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Azeddine Islam Mennouchi <
>> azeddine.mennouchi at owasp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> sure :D you were great in Math Michael :D
>>> I think Stev. has a point almost all the confs. pay a part of the
>>> expenses (if not full expenses)
>>> Not all companies have the same policy not all people get sponsored by
>>> there companies
>>>
>>> Sponsoring some people would be great I think
>>>
>>> Regards Islam,
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:54 PM, Michael Coates <
>>> michael.coates at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Steven,
>>>>
>>>> Hope all is well and it will be great to catch up in Denver.
>>>>
>>>> I always enjoy new ideas and discussion. I have a few questions about
>>>> your idea.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. Do we have any indication that quality speakers aren't applying
>>>> because travel / hotel is not covered?
>>>>
>>>> 2. Do you think the quality of speakers would increase if travel costs
>>>> were covered?
>>>>
>>>> 3. How many of the speakers do you think are paying for their travel
>>>> out of pocket versus having it covered as a business expense?
>>>>
>>>> 4. Would you support an increase in ticket prices to cover the costs of
>>>> speakers? If not, where would you suggest the costs be covered?
>>>>
>>>> A bit of cost planning:
>>>> AppSecUSA has 79 people listed on the speakers tab.  Let's assume
>>>> travel as $900 per person ($500 airfare + 2 nights hotel at $200 night).
>>>> That comes out to $71,000.
>>>>
>>>> Cost increase per attendee:
>>>> 500 attendees +$142 per ticket
>>>> 1000 attendees +$71 per ticket
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Michael Coates
>>>> Chairman, OWASP Board
>>>> @_mwc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Steven van der Baan <
>>>> steven.van.der.baan at owasp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> hi Leaders,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got a question for you all and it is regarding speakers at Appsec
>>>>> conferences.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am of the opinion that we should cover expenses for speakers that are
>>>>> presenting at Appsec conferences. At the moment this is not the case
>>>>> and
>>>>> I truly believe that this is wrong. I think that if OWASP wants the
>>>>> AppSec conferences to grow in size, we should also give the speakers
>>>>> more than just an entrance ticket. I would like to see that also some
>>>>> of
>>>>> the expenses are covered. This is currently only done for the keynote
>>>>> speakers. I agree that the keynote speakers should be handled more
>>>>> special, but they are only the 'cherry on the cake'. It's the speakers
>>>>> that 'make the cake' and without good speakers you will have a lousy
>>>>> cake.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that conferences like HitB and BlackHat/Defcon provide hotel
>>>>> expenses next to the entrance fee (with BH and Defcon you can choose
>>>>> between more badges or money). And they do get a large number of
>>>>> attendees, especially due to the numbers and quality of their speakers.
>>>>> This is what I would like to see with the OWASP Appsec conferences as
>>>>> well. Being known for outstanding speakers and at the same time
>>>>> attracting more attendees. Reflecting back at taking part in organising
>>>>> Appsec EU 2014, the attendee numbers where really low for a long time
>>>>> (below 100 up to two weeks before the conference). Thought it did pick
>>>>> up in the last two weeks, i firmly believe that these numbers could
>>>>> easily have been doubled if we take more care of our speakers.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that I have a personal stake in this as I'm one of the speakers
>>>>> at Appsec USA. But it should not only be an honour to speak at an OWASP
>>>>> conference, we as OWASP should actively support this knowledge sharing
>>>>> by stimulating speakers and meet them with their expenses and take care
>>>>> of the hotel for them. I am aware that in the current model the Appsec
>>>>> conferences are used to generate revenue for the foundation, but I am a
>>>>> firm believer that you first have to spend money to make money: to
>>>>> invest into the speakers, which in turn will attract more attendees and
>>>>> therefore generate more income.
>>>>>
>>>>> Below are two tweets that I quickly found searching online about this.
>>>>> These tweets are from non OWASP members
>>>>> https://twitter.com/MatiasKatz/status/323490014136791041
>>>>> https://twitter.com/notsosecure/status/478912487182827520
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd love to see this change happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steven.
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