[Owasp-leaders] Speakers at Appsec conferences

Patrick Laverty patrick.laverty at owasp.org
Fri Sep 12 13:30:44 UTC 2014


For the last few AppSecUSA conferences, what was the final number after
everything was said and done? Was there a "profit" or a loss? A portion of
that money goes to the central organization and a portion to the host
chapter, correct? How much were those in 2013, 2012?

Thanks!

Patrick

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 8:04 PM, Tobias <tobias.gondrom at owasp.org> wrote:

>  Hi Michael,
>
> if I read correctly, Steven was asking about hotel costs. Not all travel
> expenses.
> So the numbers might not be as bad.
>
> For the other questions:
> I think they are very valid questions. And I agree with you, that the
> financial side must work out.
> Regarding some of your questions: We could do a survey of the current
> speakers at AppSec USA to find out about question #3 and maybe also get an
> idea about the others?
>
> Tobias
>
>
>
>
> On 11/09/14 21:54, Michael Coates wrote:
>
> Steven,
>
>  Hope all is well and it will be great to catch up in Denver.
>
>  I always enjoy new ideas and discussion. I have a few questions about
> your idea.
>
>
>  1. Do we have any indication that quality speakers aren't applying
> because travel / hotel is not covered?
>
>  2. Do you think the quality of speakers would increase if travel costs
> were covered?
>
>  3. How many of the speakers do you think are paying for their travel out
> of pocket versus having it covered as a business expense?
>
>  4. Would you support an increase in ticket prices to cover the costs of
> speakers? If not, where would you suggest the costs be covered?
>
>  A bit of cost planning:
> AppSecUSA has 79 people listed on the speakers tab.  Let's assume travel
> as $900 per person ($500 airfare + 2 nights hotel at $200 night). That
> comes out to $71,000.
>
>  Cost increase per attendee:
> 500 attendees +$142 per ticket
> 1000 attendees +$71 per ticket
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Michael Coates
> Chairman, OWASP Board
> @_mwc
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Steven van der Baan <
> steven.van.der.baan at owasp.org> wrote:
>
>> hi Leaders,
>>
>> I've got a question for you all and it is regarding speakers at Appsec
>> conferences.
>>
>> I am of the opinion that we should cover expenses for speakers that are
>> presenting at Appsec conferences. At the moment this is not the case and
>> I truly believe that this is wrong. I think that if OWASP wants the
>> AppSec conferences to grow in size, we should also give the speakers
>> more than just an entrance ticket. I would like to see that also some of
>> the expenses are covered. This is currently only done for the keynote
>> speakers. I agree that the keynote speakers should be handled more
>> special, but they are only the 'cherry on the cake'. It's the speakers
>> that 'make the cake' and without good speakers you will have a lousy cake.
>>
>> I know that conferences like HitB and BlackHat/Defcon provide hotel
>> expenses next to the entrance fee (with BH and Defcon you can choose
>> between more badges or money). And they do get a large number of
>> attendees, especially due to the numbers and quality of their speakers.
>> This is what I would like to see with the OWASP Appsec conferences as
>> well. Being known for outstanding speakers and at the same time
>> attracting more attendees. Reflecting back at taking part in organising
>> Appsec EU 2014, the attendee numbers where really low for a long time
>> (below 100 up to two weeks before the conference). Thought it did pick
>> up in the last two weeks, i firmly believe that these numbers could
>> easily have been doubled if we take more care of our speakers.
>>
>> I know that I have a personal stake in this as I'm one of the speakers
>> at Appsec USA. But it should not only be an honour to speak at an OWASP
>> conference, we as OWASP should actively support this knowledge sharing
>> by stimulating speakers and meet them with their expenses and take care
>> of the hotel for them. I am aware that in the current model the Appsec
>> conferences are used to generate revenue for the foundation, but I am a
>> firm believer that you first have to spend money to make money: to
>> invest into the speakers, which in turn will attract more attendees and
>> therefore generate more income.
>>
>> Below are two tweets that I quickly found searching online about this.
>> These tweets are from non OWASP members
>> https://twitter.com/MatiasKatz/status/323490014136791041
>> https://twitter.com/notsosecure/status/478912487182827520
>>
>>
>> I'd love to see this change happen.
>>
>> Steven.
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